reported Bug report: Catapult issue in multiplayer

[Spectre561st]

When host is hooked up to catapult 1 with tension on the plane, player two hooks up to cat 2 and as soon as tension is applied, the jet is visibly kicked into the air and into the JBD and/or aircraft waiting behind JBD, sometimes exploding, other times coming to a rest on top of objects immediately behind.

This was tried with player two connecting to catapults 1 - 4 with tension applied with no issues until the moment the host has tension applied to his catapult resulting in the same mishap. Initially we found the error while beginning a mission built by the Liberation campaign engine generator, and then we created a simple bare-bones mission with same carrier and two hornets only. It was tested in all aspects as above with the exact same issue resulting. Attached is the track file showing the result.

None of this has ever been experienced by myself or the host in the many many missions we have flown together online in the same type of aircraft and the same types of missions. It seems as if this started with the latest patch considering we had not flown online at all since before the patch dropped. The issue happens in all terrain sceneries.

 

Thanks for taking a look.

 

561st Spectre

server-20220503-171606.trk

[BIGNEWY]

thanks I will have the team check it, but it maybe due to network lag. 

 

[Reaper51368]

I am the one that hosted the mission Spectre reported.  One little tidbit.......in one of our testing scenarios, it appeared he had good tension and didn't glitch out until I received tension on the launch bar.  I believe that may even be in the track file he posted.  I remember saying "oh there ya go, you have tension", then looked away and maybe even extended my bar, then he popped.

[Drac]

Me and my flight mates are also having a similar issue. I'm hosting the mission and always the first to lock into position on CATI or CATII.  Any of my other flight mates that go to CATI or CATII, they bounce back as soon as they lock into position. I'm going to have my flight mates lock in first and I will lock in last to see what happens.

Update:  Did some further testing today.  This time around, I had a flight mate connect to CATI first...all good.  I rolled up (I'm hosting the mission) to CATII.  As soon as my "launch bar" touched the deck, my flight mate rolled back into the blast door.  Even when we switch positions, he takes CATII and I take CATI, still happens.  This is happening on two separate missions.

Edited May 5, 2022 by Drac

[Reaper51368]

I forgot to mention we may have found a possible workaround until it's fixed.  We did one test where he hooked up and launched before me successfully.  Since it only seems to be happening when the host puts his launch bar down (hypothesis only, needs further testing), the people who join should be able to hook up and launch before the host.  Granted, we only tested it once on a barebones mission, but at least it's something to try.

[Drac]

3 minutes ago, Reaper51368 said:

I forgot to mention we may have found a possible workaround until it's fixed.  We did one test where he hooked up and launched before me successfully.  Since it only seems to be happening when the host puts his launch bar down (hypothesis only, needs further testing), the people who join should be able to hook up and launch before the host.  Granted, we only tested it once on a barebones mission, but at least it's something to try.

That's close to what we are doing. I (host) on Cat 2 and one other person on Cat 3 take off together.  Once we are airborne, the third person connects and takes off from Cat 4.

Has this officially been identified as a possible bug?  I see it says "Reported".

[tmansteve]

This started happening after the latest update to Stable. I have tried multiple positions for cats when hosting but when player joins and hooks up, as soon as that happens, he springs in the air and bursts into flames. I have only been using the F18 so not sure about other planes. I will be checking later. Tried mission with just my plane and everything worked fine.

[Anubis_94]

Hello,

 

We encountered a similar bug yesterday when mate hooked the CAT1 when I, host, was waiting LB extended on CAT2 (but still not hooked)

https://imgur.com/a/9C4Tijm

The track is big (the whole mission) 50MB, but the issue happend only after 10min. Maybe it can help.

http://server.3rd-wing.net/public/Anubis/BugReport/server-20220615-210445.trk

 

 

EDIT: In fact, I remember a similar issue on a previous flight 2 days ago too.

https://imgur.com/a/KNGvyeC

Track, big again, because we didn't restart the mission, but still, here is the file. Issue after 9min40.

http://server.3rd-wing.net/public/Anubis/BugReport/server-20220613-211415.trk

Edited June 16, 2022 by Anubis_94

[gofres]

This bug has still not been fixed. 

My flight group seen to have this issue almost every single time. 

The only work around is to launch individually. 

[Tusky]

Hi all!

Bug still present on Open Beta 2.9. Very annoying...

[Quae Tinnungulus]

In multiplayer when you have several flights the lead hooks up to a cat others are unable to get flight director to wave them on a cat even when their in your flight but they let someone from another flight to hook up. Is their a procedure we are missing or a bug?

[Tomcat388th]

I have brought this problem up a few times and would like to post a track but it ends up being a 1-2 hour miz and its to large. SC in my opinion with MP is a BUG FEST, SP it great everything works. Been hinted that the next SC update might be an improvement with the deck crew directing acft who knows?  Had our Thursday4Jan24 night miz with only 6 of us spawning on the boat absolute crap show trying to get a cat to hook you up. @BIGNEWY  Is there any update on when they might update SC and why no hotfix. I know you cant give specific dates and i wouldnt expect that. 

Edited January 8, 2024 by Tomcat388th

[BIGNEWY]

26 minutes ago, Tomcat388th said:

I have brought this problem up a few times and would like to post a track but it ends up being a 1-2 hour miz and its to large. SC in my opinion with MP is a BUG FEST, SP it great everything works. Been hinted that the next SC update might be an improvement with the deck crew directing acft who knows?  Had our Thursday4Jan24 night miz with only 6 of us spawning on the boat absolute crap show trying to get a cat to hook you up. @BIGNEWY  Is there any update on when they might update SC and why no hotfix. I know you cant give specific dates and i wouldnt expect that. 

 

Hi, 

we would need to be able to reproduce a problem before we can look at a fix. I will pass on your concerns to the testing team and ask them to try and reproduce it. 

We really need to see a track replay example of it happening. It maybe a dynamic script is creating problems, or creating confusion on the deck for the AI logic. 

In future updates there will be plane directors which will give orders of where to go on the deck which may help. 

The team have been on New years break so we are unlikely to see any patch until end of January beginning of February, so if you do have track replays or can attach the mission being used we can look at possible causes. 

thanks 

 

[Tomcat388th]

@BIGNEWY  thanks for keeping up with this. Here's one of our missions if the team needs to test with incase it something we are doing or how the mission is made. We have gone to using 2 carriers to try and help with this situation.  We spawn into our jets start and load up once someone is ready they will get on SRS and let everyone know they are taxing to a specific cat and every one follow in the same way. One or two guys will get lucky and SC will hook them up even if we ask for request launch it usually doesnt work. This is with the latest open beta. If the team has any questions have them PM me I'd be more than happy to answer them I will try and get a track also

Thanks again

J

Operation PGA Tour.miz

Edited January 9, 2024 by Tomcat388th

[MARLAN_]

PLEASE fix this issue. Its been happening for years. It ruins any MP mission that has briefed timings (luckily this mission was a small check ride, which is why I finally have a small track file where it happens fairly quickly)

The issue happens shortly after 0956, both Cat 3 and Cat 4 will not accept any aircraft (View the aircraft carrier)

server-20240417-160837.trk

Edited April 19, 2024 by MARLAN_

[inZane]

In MP, our group has found that if someone occupies CAT2, all of the other CATs are not available for any other user. It only happens when the first person occupies CAT2.

[Tomcat388th]

These problems have been going on forever, myself and others have brought it up many times if its not this its the JBD's getting stuck up. Hopefully it will be fixed with the next super carrier update but who knows when.  Part of our hornet squad has decided to go away from navy carrier ops to marine squad airfield ops because SC multiplayer is such a hot mess.  @BIGNEWY  any new updates on SC?  

J

[NineLine]

On 5/23/2024 at 2:30 PM, inZane said:

In MP, our group has found that if someone occupies CAT2, all of the other CATs are not available for any other user. It only happens when the first person occupies CAT2.

Hi, do you have a track of this? We do have some new updates for the SC coming soon, but not sure if this is known or being addressed. I will flag with the team, but remember tracks are important, even MP issues. 

[MARLAN_]

2 hours ago, NineLine said:

Hi, do you have a track of this? We do have some new updates for the SC coming soon, but not sure if this is known or being addressed. I will flag with the team, but remember tracks are important, even MP issues. 

I've provided tracks but I keep getting ignored.

Here it is for the third time.

server-20240417-160837.trk

[NineLine]

1 hour ago, MARLAN_ said:

I've provided tracks but I keep getting ignored.

Here it is for the third time.

server-20240417-160837.trk 28.18 MB · 0 downloads

Where are you being ignored?

I believe the fix for this is coupled with the next update and additions to the SC, but I have asked the team.

[BrassEm]

I bet you THIS reported problem has not fixed this update. Call it a hunch.     It would appear that the shuttle tension algorithm may be borked. Just another hunch...

 

[Tomcat388th]

@NineLine @BIGNEWY   Hopefully this zip file works I posted it in the supercarrier forum but no reply if anyone even seen it. This is just me on our squads server. Deck crew will not hook me up tried cat 1 then cat 2 I backed out after that to save the track. I know your always needing track files so I hope it helps. This is with the Hornet. Give me a thumbs up or something if you see this 

Thanks

J

332AEWTraining_Syria_Stable_V1.11 - Sunrise-20240709-125641.zip

[inZane]

10 hours ago, BrassEm said:

I bet you THIS reported problem has not fixed this update. Call it a hunch.     It would appear that the shuttle tension algorithm may be borked. Just another hunch...

 

We have tested it and the problem still exists. 

[Tomcat388th]

22 hours ago, BrassEm said:

I bet you THIS reported problem has not fixed this update. Call it a hunch.     It would appear that the shuttle tension algorithm may be borked. Just another hunch...

 

I believe it was either @BIGNEWY or @NineLine stated awhile back that this would hopefully be addressed when the new deck crew/directors get updated.  I wish we had the key bind like pre SC as a backup to get us hooked up to the cat when the deck crew dont activate. It silly how long this bug has been going on, completely tanks MP most of the time.

J

[Anubis_94]

Hello,

 

Here is a track from our evening mission. It is big, so hosted on ftp.

But the issue happens at start, around 0540 (mission start at 0525).

CAT1 lag after trying to hook when I, host, am already hooked on CAT2.

http://server.3rd-wing.net/public/Anubis/server-20240918-211256.trk

Edited September 18, 2024 by Anubis_94