Comrade Doge Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) Greetings readers, I am most pleased to see Link 16 being improved constantly on the F-16, most recently by the addition of the Primary Datalink Target / PDLT. In my recent readings over publicly available documentation for the F-16, I have stumbled across a feature that would surely be greatly appreciated by the Viper community, if implemented. I am talking about the Link 16 Expanded Data feature for the HSD and FCR formats. In short, this feature displays informative text about the Link 16 track under the cursors, namely aircraft type, it's airspeed, and in the case of donor members, also ordnance remaining, among many other data. To not be confused with the "Expand Mode", which is just a zoom-in feature on the HSD, as Wags detailed in a video. This information is available for further study in depth from the publicly available MLU M3 Update Manual, starting with page 160 (same document that described the already implemented PDLT functionality). If the development team finds this feasible, and time to implement this feature, it would be most appreciated. All the best and have an easy day! Edited May 31, 2022 by Comrade Doge 15
Comrade Doge Posted August 19, 2022 Author Posted August 19, 2022 @BIGNEWYSorry to bother, is this functionality planned for future F-16 updates? You'd help many Viper nerds
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 19, 2022 ED Team Posted August 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, Comrade Doge said: @BIGNEWYSorry to bother, is this functionality planned for future F-16 updates? You'd help many Viper nerds Hi, to be determined, for now remains a wish list item. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Comrade Doge Posted August 19, 2022 Author Posted August 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, to be determined, for now remains a wish list item. thanks I see, thank you, here's to hope
AvroLanc Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 14 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, to be determined, for now remains a wish list item. thanks The exact same information is available in the Hornet code as you TUC a contact: Abbreviated Callsign, Aircraft Type and Speed. For hostiles, Aircraft type and Speed. Is there any reason why these can't be added to the F-16 as well? Without this 'Expanded Link 16 data' It makes the HSD display pretty useless, as you can never tell who anyone is..... It's a MASSIVE glaring omission to your Link 16 depiction. Hopefully this is more than just a wishlist item. 6
Furiz Posted August 21, 2022 Posted August 21, 2022 This would be very good addition to Vipers datalink indeed!
WHOGX5 Posted April 25, 2024 Posted April 25, 2024 Has there been any progress on this point? It still isn't possible to tell who's who on LINK 16 outside of your own team members in the DCS F-16C. Both the DCS A-10C and F/A-18C has had an equivalent feature for ages, I don't see why we can't have it in the DCS F-16C as well? 3 -Col. Russ Everts opinion on surface-to-air missiles: "It makes you feel a little better if it's coming for one of your buddies. However, if it's coming for you, it doesn't make you feel too good, but it does rearrange your priorities." DCS Wishlist: MC-130E Combat Talon | F/A-18F Lot 26 | HH-60G Pave Hawk | E-2 Hawkeye/C-2 Greyhound | EA-6A/B Prowler | J-35F2/J Draken | RA-5C Vigilante
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 25, 2024 ED Team Posted April 25, 2024 4 hours ago, WHOGX5 said: Has there been any progress on this point? It still isn't possible to tell who's who on LINK 16 outside of your own team members in the DCS F-16C. Both the DCS A-10C and F/A-18C has had an equivalent feature for ages, I don't see why we can't have it in the DCS F-16C as well? As mentioned previously, expanded data fields on the HSD is still to be determined for future development, so no news to share at the moment. However, with regard to friendly datalink symbols and comparisons to the F-18 or A-10 functionality, the avionics version that is modelled within DCS: F-16C does not have the capability to see a TNDL STN of a friendly datalink contact by moving the HSD cursor over it. Thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
WHOGX5 Posted April 29, 2024 Posted April 29, 2024 On 4/25/2024 at 5:25 PM, BIGNEWY said: As mentioned previously, expanded data fields on the HSD is still to be determined for future development, so no news to share at the moment. However, with regard to friendly datalink symbols and comparisons to the F-18 or A-10 functionality, the avionics version that is modelled within DCS: F-16C does not have the capability to see a TNDL STN of a friendly datalink contact by moving the HSD cursor over it. Thank you I'm fully aware that you cannot see TNDL STN in the F-16C on the HSD page, but that is not the issue. The issue is that I cannot tell anything about a TNDL track except altitude and identity in the DCS F-16C. The two main issues for me is that I cannot see their callsign and I cannot see their aircraft type. This greatly diminishes situational awareness when flying in huge DCS missions with tonnes of different flights, and being unable to correlate radio calls when trying to build a picture based on the data provided by TNDL. The reason I brought up both the A-10C and the F/A-18C is because they both already have the ability to do this in DCS, so it is obviously not a DCS limitation, or a tech that ED does not have access to as these are both ED modules. I do not understand why ED has chosen for this not to be a feature in the DCS F-16C? The expanded data field is an essential feature of TNDL. The F-16CM-50 M4.2+ of the USAF and ANG circa 2007 had this capability, and it would display a lot more information in the expanded data field than what I've mentioned in this post, including stuff like loadout, fighter channel, etc. 6 -Col. Russ Everts opinion on surface-to-air missiles: "It makes you feel a little better if it's coming for one of your buddies. However, if it's coming for you, it doesn't make you feel too good, but it does rearrange your priorities." DCS Wishlist: MC-130E Combat Talon | F/A-18F Lot 26 | HH-60G Pave Hawk | E-2 Hawkeye/C-2 Greyhound | EA-6A/B Prowler | J-35F2/J Draken | RA-5C Vigilante
Chain_1 Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 On 4/25/2024 at 10:25 AM, BIGNEWY said: As mentioned previously, expanded data fields on the HSD is still to be determined for future development, so no news to share at the moment. However, with regard to friendly datalink symbols and comparisons to the F-18 or A-10 functionality, the avionics version that is modelled within DCS: F-16C does not have the capability to see a TNDL STN of a friendly datalink contact by moving the HSD cursor over it. Thank you FWIW, I also hope this is added. Maybe it could be something added with the DTC, like the planned air-to-air assignments feature.
Stroke 3 Posted July 31, 2024 Posted July 31, 2024 How is this to be decided, this is a core feature of L-16. 6
Stroke 3 Posted August 3, 2024 Posted August 3, 2024 Data link expanded data fields was a feature since the M3 tape version.
ED Team NineLine Posted October 28, 2024 ED Team Posted October 28, 2024 There is nothing new to report right now, priorities such as DTC are currently the focus. Thanks! Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Stroke 3 Posted October 29, 2024 Posted October 29, 2024 13 hours ago, NineLine said: There is nothing new to report right now, priorities such as DTC are currently the focus. Thanks! Thankyou. Does this mean that data Link Expanded Data Fields is planed?
ED Team NineLine Posted October 29, 2024 ED Team Posted October 29, 2024 Thread is tagged as TBD so we are not committing until we are 100% sure. Thanks! Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Spartan111sqn Posted April 22 Posted April 22 Hi all, first of all thanks for reading this topic. Is planned to have more data in the HSD from the DATA LINK?, I am missing data in HSD like in SA page in Hornet, Link16 in viper also have such data when you put the cursor in the aircraft donated by Link16, it is a big lack in the viper. Thanks in advance for the answer.
szymixzmb Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I came here just to complain about this but I see somebody did this for me already. @NineLine I see the tag so now we just sit and wait for it being done right?
Kev2go Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago yeah this a core featurea that needed. ITs really lacking that in HSD page we dont see any information on Datalink contacts when cursor is hightling them or when selected in the HMD we are only given altitude and not any distance to target, Like someone pointed out even A10C and F/A18C have such features, so its not even setting a new bench mark by adding a feature never seen before. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD
ED Team NineLine Posted 20 hours ago ED Team Posted 20 hours ago The thread was now tagged as 'after completion of dtc' so it is planned now. Thanks. 2 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
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