Mossie with a Virpil CM2 200m extension = a very bouncy plane

[Hotdognz]

I have a Virpil CM2 with a 200mm extension, and I'm finding the Mossie and other WW2 planes very bouncy in the X plane and also tippy on the Y plane due to the 200mm extension andd stick throw, the setup is great for the Apache though.

How have players setup with similar gear as the resistance in the Virpil stick is quite free, I have the heavy set springs in already and set to stiff but flying it and trimming with a 200mm extension is really tiresome trying to keep level flight and also hitting targets, I understand that its 1:1 but it is really hard work.

[speed-of-heat]

just checking you don't have any curves set ? 

[Hotdognz]

None set

 

[Bozon]

Y saturation. Lots and lots of saturation.

[Hotdognz]

Thanks Bozon 70% Sat Y fixed both the Y and X axis

[Bozon]

6 hours ago, Hotdognz said:

Thanks Bozon 70% Sat Y fixed both the Y and X axis

You are welcome, I think I put it even lower, but I also have a shorter stick… no pun. I don’t like the way DCS maps the game stick to the sim stick at default, but at least they give the tools to deal with it.

At 100% saturation too much of the movement range of pulling the game-stick is way deep in the stall so you don’t use it. Much of the range in the push is useless too, especially in the mosquito where it chokes your engines.

[Gunfreak]

I have a 170mm extension and never felt the need to do anything in any plane. But yes the mossie is a little crazy. 

[Nealius]

I'm running a 20cm extension as well and needed a curve of about 15 for both the Mossie and Spitfire, 10 for the P-47. Interestingly I didn't need any curves for the Mustang or Anton. For the Spit and Mossie I chocked it up to Brit planes being more responsive in general. For the P-47 I assumed the massive, heavy nose had a part in it.

Edited August 5, 2022 by Nealius

[Gunfreak]

2 hours ago, Nealius said:

I'm running a 20cm extension as well and needed a curve of about 15 for both the Mossie and Spitfire, 10 for the P-47. Interestingly I didn't need any curves for the Mustang or Anton. For the Spit and Mossie I chocked it up to Brit planes being more responsive in general. For the P-47 I assumed the massive, heavy nose had a part in it.

 

Never used any cruve on the spitfire, not with my Winwing F18 stick on an extender or my authentikit spitfire stick.

[DD_Fenrir]

1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

Never used any cruve on the spitfire, not with my Winwing F18 stick on an extender or my authentikit spitfire stick.

If you have a prototypical length stick (~900mm) with prototypical throws (displacement limits) you won't need curves.

The point is that general desktop PC joysticks have tiny throws compared to real sticks - the upshot on something like the Mossie or the Spit is, without curves, you'd need something like 2-3mm of stick displacement to reach critical angle of attack (stall) where the real aircraft may be almost 10 times that amount. This makes small corrections for gunnery or formation incredibly challenging and unrealistically difficult.

[Morat]

It's smooth as butter using the Authentikit Spitfire stick...

[Hotdognz]

I moved to a Winwing Orion 2 setup, with NC-1 cams and the damper mod the bounce has gone completely, the mossie flies great now.