correct as is F-16 too good?

[Baltic Dude]

Before the FM update, the aircraft was underpowered, we can all agree on that. However after the FM update, it seems to me that the acceleration is way too high. I think they overdid it. Our variant block 50 shouldn't have such performance and I am worried that it's due to pressure from DCS' Nato community to get sales. I hope it's not the case and was wondering if anyone else thought the same or had other ideas about the F-16's current performance. I would welcome another look over and FM adjustment.

[Jel]

Well, the Viper is slow in only one thing: Slowing down.

I´m curious: "Our variant [...] shouldn´t have such performance" is this just a feeling or actually based on information ?

Edited August 11, 2022 by Jel

[Baltic Dude]

1 hour ago, Jel said:

Well, the Viper is slow in only one thing: Slowing down.

I´m curious: "Our variant [...] shouldn´t have such performance" is this just a feeling or actually based on information ?

 

I've talked to other people on forums and they agree with me in that for the variant we have in DCS, it shouldn't have such performance. It seems like ED prioritized the best capabilities of all Viper variants and put them together for DCS' F-16. Same mindset with Black Shark 3. If we were to get a proper Block 50 multirole F-16, it should not have such powerful acceleration, or at least that's what others have also been saying.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Baltic Dude

[TEOMOOSE]

10 minutes ago, Baltic Dude said:

people on forums

Do they have any data to back it up or just saying stuff ?

Where are the test result ?

[RuskyV]

Ideas don’t go un noticed but you need to provide evidence, facts and figures build accurate simulations not guess work and approximation. Grab the evidence and track files from DCS and show where you think the performance needs adjusting.

 

[Shimmergloom667]

1 hour ago, Baltic Dude said:

I've talked to other people on forums and they agree with me in that for the variant we have in DCS, it shouldn't have such performance. It seems like ED prioritized the best capabilities of all Viper variants and put them together for DCS' F-16. Same mindset with Black Shark 3. If we were to get a proper Block 50 multirole F-16, it should not have such powerful acceleration, or at least that's what others have also been saying.

 

So you don't have proof, only hearsay?

[sirrah]

I'm not sure about this, but I can only assume that ED had help from SME's (perhaps ex Viper pilots). They probably know better than 

2 hours ago, Baltic Dude said:

..other people on forums..

 

[Dragon1-1]

Viper does, in fact, have amazing acceleration. If it can only unload for a moment, it goes like a bat out of hell. Nothing wrong with its acceleration, real Viper drivers say the exact same thing.

Funnily enough, the way I saw "people on the forums" talk, it's not good enough because it has trouble defeating the Hornet in MP. One would think it'd have the Hornet dead to rights with such acceleration.

[TobiasA]

We need charts and evidence. 

[okopanja]

Geee, I gather extending air-breaks, carrying 2 bags and 6 AMRAAM, accelerating while climbing like nothing else still counts like a "feeling"?

I observed this with older FM, but perhaps we should repeat the tests with new FM? (I won't be able to do that before September properly)

Edited August 11, 2022 by okopanja

[Figaro9]

acceleration looks good to me, at least for di0 22000lbs at 15kft.

blue is sep for edf16, orange for haf block 50.

Where the orange line indicates 0sep (m0.85-1.0, 1.15-1.3), no correct sep-value can be read from the chart and I do not want to speculate here.

 

keep in mind that there is some tolerance in measuring sep in game and also in interpreting charts.

 

Overall it is very close.

[BIGNEWY]

5 hours ago, Baltic Dude said:

I've talked to other people on forums and they agree with me in that for the variant we have in DCS, it shouldn't have such performance. It seems like ED prioritized the best capabilities of all Viper variants and put them together for DCS' F-16. Same mindset with Black Shark 3. If we were to get a proper Block 50 multirole F-16, it should not have such powerful acceleration, or at least that's what others have also been saying.

If you have evidence I can always show the team, however we are very happy with where the viper sits performance wise based on the data and information we have. 

thank you

[TobiasA]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb okopanja:

Geee, I gather extending air-breaks, carrying 2 bags and 6 AMRAAM, accelerating while climbing like nothing else still counts like a "feeling"?

I observed this with older FM, but perhaps we should repeat the tests with new FM? (I won't be able to do that before September properly)

 

Unfortunately, we don't have charts for airbrakes but we do have charts on the acceleration from the HAF manual and those match (see above).

[Exorcet]

The F-16 slightly underperforms when compared to charts last I checked. It's fine. It has insane acceleration, that's what it was designed for.

[okopanja]

Just now, TobiasA said:

Unfortunately, we don't have charts for airbrakes but we do have charts on the acceleration from the HAF manual and those match (see above).

empty or loaded?

 

[Exorcet]

Just now, okopanja said:

empty or loaded?

 

The charts cover everything.

[TobiasA]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb okopanja:

empty or loaded?

 

Per drag index and weight, which is also mentioned in said manual.

Keep in mind that pylons have to be accounted on some stores, but not on all of them. 

Edited August 11, 2022 by TobiasA

[Frederf]

Example test points:

• 28 GW DI 0 SL from 300 to 550 KIAS in 31 seconds
• 28 GW DI 0 20kft from M1.6 to M0.8 in 72 seconds
• 28 GW DI speed brakes 20kft from M1.6 to M0.8 in 21 seconds

These are all testable in DCS.