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I'm not the most learned aircraft guy, so please be gentle.

 

As far as having a "Space Shuttle of Death", which of course I want, will the F-15E beat the F18C for tech and toys? I'm looking forward to the F-15E as my new favourite plane, but was curious if it out-techs the F-18C.

 

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IRL the F/A-18 has more modern avionics, and the F-15E generally has better performance overall.    In DCS The Razbam DCS F-15E will likely be simulated much better than the DCS F/A-18C

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Agreed, I hate to use the term but a couple of Mudhens with a few racks of SDBs would be pretty damn OP... And I have zero problem with that. 😆

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OUT-Tech?  I would say no.  The F/A-18C is nothing but Tech.  Other than the FBW and JHMCS (I don't think that has been released to 3rd party yet) the F-15E might match the F/A-18C.  They will both have multi mode radars, internal EW, and targeting pods.  The Hornet will likely have a broader range of weapons available.  The Strike Eagle will have more brute force, be it thrust, fuel, number of munitions, etc.

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The F / A-18C is used by many countries.
It is nothing "high-end".
The F-15E has much more possibilities when it comes to attacking ground targets, a much larger arsenal of weapons.

In air combat, he will smash the F / A-18C as well as do it the F-15C;) Provided he doesn't get into stupid close range dogfighting... 

What will it be like when the F-15E comes out? Well, until recently the F-16C was completely unsuitable for air combat in DCS ...

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7 hours ago, Spurts said:

OUT-Tech?  I would say no.  The F/A-18C is nothing but Tech.  Other than the FBW and JHMCS (I don't think that has been released to 3rd party yet) the F-15E might match the F/A-18C.  They will both have multi mode radars, internal EW, and targeting pods.  The Hornet will likely have a broader range of weapons available.  The Strike Eagle will have more brute force, be it thrust, fuel, number of munitions, etc.

 

That will make me happy. Thank you. :drinks_cheers:

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3 hours ago, Nahen said:

The F / A-18C is used by many countries.
It is nothing "high-end".
The F-15E has much more possibilities when it comes to attacking ground targets, a much larger arsenal of weapons.

In air combat, he will smash the F / A-18C as well as do it the F-15C;) Provided he doesn't get into stupid close range dogfighting... 

What will it be like when the F-15E comes out? Well, until recently the F-16C was completely unsuitable for air combat in DCS ...

And just think how much better the Strike Eagle will be if the CFTs can be removed!

Am I right!? :drinks_cheers:

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8 hours ago, Ignition said:

The AGM-130 will be amazing, and if they can make the GBU-39 it will be great.

Agreed, I hate to use the term but a couple of Mudhens with a few racks of SDBs would be pretty damn OP... And I have zero problem with that. 😆

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9 hours ago, Ignition said:

The AGM-130 will be amazing, and if they can make the GBU-39 it will be great.

It will be posible to do missions from the 90's to 2005+

 

 

I'll take the SDBs, but I also want the GBU-28, but that might not be possible. Want that "Beeg badaboom!"

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44 minutes ago, Beirut said:

I also want the GBU-28, but that might not be possible.

AFAIK GBU-28 is happening. Not sure why it wouldn't be possible. Its a conventional weapon so shouldn't be an issue, unlike the nukes.

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18 hours ago, Nahen said:

The F / A-18C is used by many countries.
It is nothing "high-end".
The F-15E has much more possibilities when it comes to attacking ground targets, a much larger arsenal of weapons.

It's not universally better. No HARM or Harpoon for example.

18 hours ago, Nahen said:

In air combat, he will smash the F / A-18C as well as do it the F-15C;) Provided he doesn't get into stupid close range dogfighting...

The C won't be slowed down by CFT or pods, and with lighter weight will be more agile at altitude during BVR fights. The real disadvantage that the C has is being a FC module. One other thing to consider is that the F-15 in all forms has a huge RCS. I don't know if the E will get a different value from the C as a FF module, but if it does increase small fighters like the Hornet may be able to see the Eagle further than other aircraft and thus be able to launch on it sooner than they usually would. Of course the Eagle's radar is on another level, so it would still see them first.

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22 hours ago, Nahen said:


The F-15E has much more possibilities when it comes to attacking ground targets, a much larger arsenal of weapons.

I have to disagree with this statement.  No doubt the E has a lot more room for stores and can drag a lot more hate into battle at a significantly further range, but the hornet has the more versatile arsenal.  Hornet has rockets, anti-radiation missiles, anti-ship missiles, and cruise missiles; E model does not.  The only class of weapon the Hornet doesn’t have that the E model does have is the sensor fuzed weapons (CBU-97/105).

Other notable weapons on the E model already have analogous counterparts in the Hornet.  The GBU-15 is damn near the same as the Walleye II.  The AGM-84E/K can do everything the AGM-130 can do and more, minus the warhead size.  GBU-28 is a “bunker buster” LGB; while the hornet can’t quite match the warhead of the GBU-28, it does have access to other “bunker buster” LGBs that are more than capable of destroying anything in DCS.  The small diameter bomb (specifically the SDB I; Laser SDB and SDB II is a whole other beast but there is zero chance we are getting that in DCS) is a pure INS/GPS penetrating glide bomb, same as the JSOW-C but trades size for quantity.

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6 hours ago, Deano87 said:

AFAIK GBU-28 is happening. Not sure why it wouldn't be possible. Its a conventional weapon so shouldn't be an issue, unlike the nukes.

 

I wasn't sure it was available on the F-15E. Not all planes get all weapons. No SLAM on the DCS F-16 for example. 

 

But I will take nukes. Any flavour. 

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4 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

I wasn't sure it was available on the F-15E. Not all planes get all weapons. No SLAM on the DCS F-16 for example. 

 

But I will take nukes. Any flavour. 

Nukes wont happen. ED has made a statement that they have no plans to model nukes going forward, so the two that the Mig-21 have will remain, but there will be no new ones.

The reason why we don't get the SLAM for the F-16 is because the USAF do not use it. They tested it and it's used actively by other air forces on the F-16 but since our F-16 is specifically a USAF/ANG Block 50 from 2007 and not meant to represent any of the international Block 50 aircraft it only has USAF weapons.

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3 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

Chemical weapons then? 😃 

ED said Napalm was coming like 4 or 5 years ago lol.

7 hours ago, Coole28 said:

The small diameter bomb (specifically the SDB I; Laser SDB and SDB II is a whole other beast but there is zero chance we are getting that in DCS)

why?

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The Hornet was designed as a multi-role (even omni-role) aircraft from the outset, to replace several different USN/USMC types (A-4, A-7, F-4, F-14).  The Strike Eagle was originally built as an F-111 replacement.  Like many platforms, since the end of the cold war/GWOT it evolved into more of a multi-role CAS/bombing platform in uncontested airspace, but that was not the original mission profile.  The clue is in the name, it is a strike aircraft at heart (with self-escort capability).

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20 hours ago, Ignition said:

why?

SDB II just entered service a year or two ago, the seeker/guidance system is incredibly advanced and HIGHLY classified.  It’s got INS/GPS, laser, millimeter-radar, infrared, home-on-jam, and datalink guidance all in one.  Good luck getting the proper documentation for implementing that beast.  Not to mention the fact that RAZBAM said they are modeling a ~2006 era F-15E, nearly two decades before the SDB II entered service.

Laser SDBs were a stop gap between SDB I and II, since budget constraints slowed development on the II.  This is slightly more plausible to get documentation for as the laser seeker is the same as used on LJDAMs, but it is still a decade newer than the planed timeframe of the F-15E module.

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1 hour ago, Beirut said:

Any idea as to the dumb bomb load? Will this thing carry an A-10C II's worth of MK-82s?

Lots.. Max Mk-82 loadout is 15, or 13 if you want to take 2 bags on the wing pylons. That would also include 4 Air to air missiles of either Aim-9 or 120 flavour, Aim-7s have to go on the CFT pylons.

With the extensive payload possibilities of the Mudhen it's relatively easy with the more heavy weight loadouts to get beyond max takeoff weight and have to reduce fuel to have a sensible takeoff weight and then hit the tanker post takeoff to gas up.

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1 hour ago, Deano87 said:

Lots.. Max Mk-82 loadout is 15, or 13 if you want to take 2 bags on the wing pylons. That would also include 4 Air to air missiles of either Aim-9 or 120 flavour, Aim-7s have to go on the CFT pylons.

With the extensive payload possibilities of the Mudhen it's relatively easy with the more heavy weight loadouts to get beyond max takeoff weight and have to reduce fuel to have a sensible takeoff weight and then hit the tanker post takeoff to gas up.
 

 

Beauty! Thank you.

 

Can't wait to see just how great a bomb truck this thing is. 

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9 hours ago, Coole28 said:

SDB II just entered service a year or two ago, the seeker/guidance system is incredibly advanced and HIGHLY classified.  It’s got INS/GPS, laser, millimeter-radar, infrared, home-on-jam, and datalink guidance all in one.  Good luck getting the proper documentation for implementing that beast.  Not to mention the fact that RAZBAM said they are modeling a ~2006 era F-15E, nearly two decades before the SDB II entered service.

Laser SDBs were a stop gap between SDB I and II, since budget constraints slowed development on the II.  This is slightly more plausible to get documentation for as the laser seeker is the same as used on LJDAMs, but it is still a decade newer than the planed timeframe of the F-15E module.

I wasn't asking about SDB II, only the first version. Why?

Also, the Eurofighter its going to get a 2018 METEOR, so... yeah....


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