Case III procedure in case of a bolster

[atercygnus]

I'd like to touch on the topic, which is not covered in the tutorial, but happens all the time in the game.

What is the procedure in case of a bolster(landing hook didn't catch arresting gear)?

I case 1 and 2 this seems to be obvious - just do another circle around a carrier. But what should pilot do in case III, when the carrier is not visible?

[pokeraccio]

1 hour ago, atercygnus said:

I'd like to touch on the topic, which is not covered in the tutorial, but happens all the time in the game.

What is the procedure in case of a bolster(landing hook didn't catch arresting gear)?

I case 1 and 2 this seems to be obvious - just do another circle around a carrier. But what should pilot do in case III, when the carrier is not visible?

in DCS not implemented yet, in real life I heard the radar vectors you to enter in a straight in approach between 2 traffic approaching as they manage with separation some "holes" to handle bolters in CASEIII 

we talked a little bit here:

 

 

[Nealius]

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Bolter/Waveoff Pattern. In the event of a waveoff or bolter, climb to 1,200 feet at 150 kts and raise the gear to save fuel, leaving flaps down. When instructed by approach, turn downwind. Perform the landing checks on downwind, and notify approach with fuel state when abeam the ship. Expect a turn back to final 4-8 NM past abeam for another approach, lowering the landing gear as you start this turn to final.

The "when instructed by approach" part hasn't been implemented yet. I'm usually the last one recovering so I just turn back at around 6nm. 4nm if I'm feeling impatient. The bit about "150kts gear up flaps down" is specifically for T-45s, I presume. I don't know what the procedure is/was for Tomcats and Hornets, but I usually raise gear, do half flaps, and stay somewhere around 200kts, no faster. I imagine there's a bit of pilot's judgement to conserve fuel on that since CATCC will be controlling everyone.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Nealius

[Minsky]

On 11/15/2022 at 6:49 PM, atercygnus said:

I'd like to touch on the topic, which is not covered in the tutorial, but happens all the time in the game.

What is the procedure in case of a bolster(landing hook didn't catch arresting gear)?

I case 1 and 2 this seems to be obvious - just do another circle around a carrier. But what should pilot do in case III, when the carrier is not visible?

As said above, bolters & waveoffs aren't implemented yet (and neither does the ACLS reacquisition).

If you don't have human ATC directing you, you can simulate the "loss of comms" procedure from the NATOPS which is roughly described in the "supercarrier AI" boxes below:

Edited November 16, 2022 by Minsky

[Nealius]

@Minsky Is that one for Hornet procedures? Just curious if they kept the 150kt figure for all aircraft and not just the T-45s. I'm wondering if Tomcat's just raised the flaps since they have those nice big wings.

[Minsky]

4 hours ago, Nealius said:

Is that one for Hornet procedures? Just curious if they kept the 150kt figure for all aircraft and not just the T-45s. I'm wondering if Tomcat's just raised the flaps since they have those nice big wings.

That's part real-life Hornet procedure part CV NATOPS.

150 kias is the standard approach speed during carrier instrument approaches. Speed is not mentioned in the MApt/Waveoff/Bolter section, so one would assume the approach speed still applies here.

IIRC those speeds could be overridden by the aircraft's manual -- however, this is not the case with the Hornet so it sticks with what the CV NATOPS says.

[draconus]

5 hours ago, Nealius said:

Just curious if they kept the 150kt figure for all aircraft and not just the T-45s. I'm wondering if Tomcat's just raised the flaps since they have those nice big wings.

Tomcat NATOPS says to stay at 150kts and does not mention flaps retracting.