RTX 4080 & 7900 XTX/XT benchmarks DCS

[CybrSlydr]

Looks like the XTX isn't up to the 4090, but trades blows with the 4080 with occasional wins over the 4090.

 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Benchmarks are up. Glad I did not wait…

[CybrSlydr]

Unfortunately, this will have zero effect on the 4000-series prices.  AMD really missed the mark on this one.

Dammit.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

On the bright side, it is very likely AMD will have higher performance GPU in line, soon.

[EightyDuce]

Yeah I'm definitely feeling mixed on this. On one hand you're getting 4080 level raster performance and more RAM for $200 less. On the other hand, at $1000 MSRP is in the territory where you seriously consider paying $200 more for much better RT performance and DLSS2/3. Not going to lie, I was cash in hand ready to buy tomorrow, now, not so much.

Will wait for DCS VR performance numbers.

[jnr4817]

Does RT do anything for DCS???

[Mr_sukebe]

There’s no ray tracing currently in DCS.

 

The 7900xtx does appear to have the edge on the 4080 on pure speed.  Benchmarks I saw were that it was either on par or upto 25% faster.

However, the 7900 clearly doesn’t include ray tracing or DLSS.  ED have previously stated that they have no intention of using proprietary tech, which would rule out DLSS.  So if that continues, it’s no use.

Having said that, the well known Civ sim does now include DLSS, and does work very well.  Which might be important to some.

Nvidia drivers do also include VRSS which facilitates foveated rendering.  At present we can only use “fixed” via OpenXR but I have very good results with that.

 

 

 

[Andrei]

Having checked each and every possible review of 7900 XTX I must say I'm really on the fence right now. The upgrade from 2070S was long time due, but in 2020 and 2021 I didn't want to pay scalper prices for 3080 and 6800XT. Well, guess what, in 2022 you pay MSRP+ which is somewhere around the scalper prices back in the crypto days. 

Now between 4080 and 7900 XTX it's a difficult choice. AMD reference card design is not the best one. I hate coil while and the memory junction temperatures are on a high side. On the other hand, I can already imagine non-reference designs (when they come) will probably ask a premium over the reference. Out here in Europe, you can find 4080 for around 1500 Eur. If 7900 XTX non-ref will be approaching 1350-1400 that will be a much less compelling argument. 

Performance wise it's a hit and miss with XTX vs 4080 it seems in pure raster. On average Radeon is somewhat faster, but not much. And you can give team red some credit for lousy drivers upon release. Add the fact that nVidia has been traditionally somewhat better in VR in terms of frame times.

My use case is mainly DCS and MSFS which occasional other 'AAA' titles that may or may not work with ray tracing. So RT is not really something of a major importance, but of course it's better to have it then not. So while 7900 XTX looks kinda favourable, price-performance wise, it will all largely depend upon the asking price for the non-reference models. 

P.S. I'd buy a 4090 in a blink of an eye if it was available in Europe for the advertised equivalent of $1600. But since we land in the land of socialism with crazy high VAT, at Eur 2200+ that is not really an option

[CybrSlydr]

7900XTX and XTs are up on BB's website.  I'll be at the store at 10am when it opens to see if they actually have any in stock on day one.  I'm guessing no, but I'm hoping to be surprised.

[EightyDuce]

14 minutes ago, CybrSlydr said:

7900XTX and XTs are up on BB's website.  I'll be at the store at 10am when it opens to see if they actually have any in stock on day one.  I'm guessing no, but I'm hoping to be surprised.

yeah, I'm going to try snag one at the local BB ....if they are in stock.

[CybrSlydr]

 

[xoxen]

I changed the topic to all new models, beside of the RTX 4090, which is above all anyway 

Edited December 13, 2022 by xoxen

[CybrSlydr]

6 minutes ago, EightyDuce said:

yeah, I'm going to try snag one at the local BB ....if they are in stock.

I'd watch Tom's vid I posted before you do that - I'm now reconsidering.

It sounds like there could be a hardware flaw - and you can't fix hardware flaws with drivers.

[AngleOff66]

IMHO it has been a bit of a roller coaster for AMD the last little bit.  The 58003XD being very popular but latest CPU didn't sell as well, mainly I think because of the M/B costs.  Yeah I know that they cost more to make.

Now this possibly/probably buggy release that is also priced too high IMO.  I thought that the design would help reduce costs by having a better yield providing a better opportunity to be more competitive.

I understand that eventually they had to come to the market with the gpu, but I feel that while they have hit the dart board, they have missed the bullseye. This was a very good chance to make some inroads on nvidia mindshare,

They keep this up and Intel will catch and maybe pass them in another few years. Possibly sooner.

I really did not want to wait another generation. Sigh.

Just my 2 cents.  Not valid on any day ending in a Y.

Edit a few typos.

Edited December 13, 2022 by AngleOff66

[SkateZilla]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDwSUlBQglw

[CybrSlydr]

As expected, my BB did not have any in store and online was unavailable as well.  Typical of GPU launches now...

[Voyager]

4 hours ago, CybrSlydr said:

I'd watch Tom's vid I posted before you do that - I'm now reconsidering.

It sounds like there could be a hardware flaw - and you can't fix hardware flaws with drivers.

I didn't get that from his video. To me it sounded more like this was a surprise to most of the AMD engineering and potentially its own leadership.

Right now it is under performing on average, but it is also very inconsistent as well. Some games it is great. Others it is not. Something is wrong, but I do not think AMD knows exactly what yet.

Probably the best bet is to wait until January, see what the driver updates and game specific benchmarks show and decide then. Baring the world burning, I don't see us having the same persistent stock shortages that we did during the Ampere generation.

[SkateZilla]

3 minutes ago, Voyager said:

I didn't get that from his video. To me it sounded more like this was a surprise to most of the AMD engineering and potentially its own leadership.

Right now it is under performing on average, but it is also very inconsistent as well. Some games it is great. Others it is not. Something is wrong, but I do not think AMD knows exactly what yet.

Probably the best bet is to wait until January, see what the driver updates and game specific benchmarks show and decide then. Baring the world burning, I don't see us having the same persistent stock shortages that we did during the Ampere generation.

Games are tailored to NVidia when compiled?

[EightyDuce]

Back to plan A.... Try get my hands on a 4090 FE, TUF or Trio. 

[LucShep]

7 hours ago, Andrei said:

Having checked each and every possible review of 7900 XTX I must say I'm really on the fence right now. The upgrade from 2070S was long time due, but in 2020 and 2021 I didn't want to pay scalper prices for 3080 and 6800XT. Well, guess what, in 2022 you pay MSRP+ which is somewhere around the scalper prices back in the crypto days. 

Now between 4080 and 7900 XTX it's a difficult choice. AMD reference card design is not the best one. I hate coil while and the memory junction temperatures are on a high side. On the other hand, I can already imagine non-reference designs (when they come) will probably ask a premium over the reference. Out here in Europe, you can find 4080 for around 1500 Eur. If 7900 XTX non-ref will be approaching 1350-1400 that will be a much less compelling argument. 

Performance wise it's a hit and miss with XTX vs 4080 it seems in pure raster. On average Radeon is somewhat faster, but not much. And you can give team red some credit for lousy drivers upon release. Add the fact that nVidia has been traditionally somewhat better in VR in terms of frame times.

My use case is mainly DCS and MSFS which occasional other 'AAA' titles that may or may not work with ray tracing. So RT is not really something of a major importance, but of course it's better to have it then not. So while 7900 XTX looks kinda favourable, price-performance wise, it will all largely depend upon the asking price for the non-reference models. 

P.S. I'd buy a 4090 in a blink of an eye if it was available in Europe for the advertised equivalent of $1600. But since we land in the land of socialism with crazy high VAT, at Eur 2200+ that is not really an option

Nicely written.
That's a very fair assessment of the situation and, whichever way you look, all these new GPU prices are FUBAR (like the ones before, during the pandemic/mining chaos).

AMD RX 7900XTX vs Nvidia RTX4080 ?
The former looks better for the money (note: if at MSRP!) if rasterization is your priority, though we're yet to see how it performs in VR. (edit: see post below, it's worse in VR).
But then one realizes that 200 bucks more for a better cooler, upscaling/frame generation, RT performance, power efficiency, thermals, and not having to deal with AMD jank?
The RTX4080 becomes a no brainer - a harsh realization, I know.

Plus, one will probably make most of that money back in electricity savings, due to the RTX4080 consuming less power on load and not having any of the idling issues of the RX 7900XTX and XT (due to AMDs multi-monitor power consumption problem).

What needs to happen is for AMD to learn to price their cards competitively, and a ~17% discount for a crappy version of an RTX4080 isn't that.
Then the other AMD GPU, the RX 7900XT, is a stupid joke, selling at just $100 less than the RX 7900XTX.
AMD is not a charity entity, and people should stop treating them like "oh the poor underdog needs support, take my moneyz"  and donating to them via purchasing of somewhat inferior products.

I just talked with old connections working in PC stores here in Portugal (so, in the EU), they all suggest the RX 7900XTX will be available here near Christmas, priced at 1250€ and over, and way more expensive than that for the improved models produced by AIBs (Powercolor, Sapphire, Asus, MSI, etc).... That's not good at all.

So, there isn't an ideal solution on the horizon for those looking to upgrade to a new high-end GPU.
You either suck it up, or go the alternative route - which IMHO is the better solution - skip this generation and/or get a 2nd hand Nvidia RTX 3080, 3080Ti, 3090 or 3090Ti in the used market, maybe even an AMD RX6800XT, 6900XT or 6950XT if at lower prices. That is, while you can still get them at fairly decent prices.
For these, be patient and look for those at the right price from trusted sellers, you'll eventually find one (I did in the past month in just three days).

Edited December 13, 2022 by LucShep

[Knock-Knock]

7900XTX VR performance, vs 4090 and 4080, with 3080Ti and 6900 in for a summary.
https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/5/

Edited December 13, 2022 by Knock-Knock

[ssg]

VR Performance against 4080 is bit disappointing. I ordered XTX, we will see if it will we improvement over 3080 10Gb. If nothing else, it has more memory. Compared to the price of 4080 or 4090 here, XTX is pretty good deal. 

[SkateZilla]

55 minutes ago, ssg said:

VR Performance against 4080 is bit disappointing. I ordered XTX, we will see if it will we improvement over 3080 10Gb. If nothing else, it has more memory. Compared to the price of 4080 or 4090 here, XTX is pretty good deal. 

More than doubles your frame buffer,

I really want to compare reviewer systems, I feel some of these systems aren't set up properly.

AMD just released new drivers this morning, so all of these reviews were on press release drivers.

[Johnny Dioxin]

Okay, time to look for a decent 4080 deal. Was hoping the 7900XTX would be a barnstormer (like many were) but that decides it. Probably wait until January, too - plus I'm due some cash, so it may end up being a 4090, but I struggle to pay those sort of prices purely from a moral point of view. Have to see.

 

edit: Just seen a couple of pre-orders for 4090 at £1680 and £1700 at OCuk, which isn't too bad compared to the £2k+ brigade, so not quite as bad as I was expecting, versus a 4080 at minimum £1220 (a ZOTAC card at ebuyer - been using a ZOTAC 2080Ti - bought new for £800 - for a couple of years and it has done a good job).

Edited December 13, 2022 by Johnny Dioxin

[SkateZilla]

24 minutes ago, Johnny Dioxin said:

Okay, time to look for a decent 4080 deal. Was hoping the 7900XTX would be a barnstormer (like many were) but that decides it. Probably wait until January, too - plus I'm due some cash, so it may end up being a 4090, but I struggle to pay those sort of prices purely from a moral point of view. Have to see.

 

edit: Just seen a couple of pre-orders for 4090 at £1680 and £1700 at OCuk, which isn't too bad compared to the £2k+ brigade, so not quite as bad as I was expecting, versus a 4080 at minimum £1220 (a ZOTAC card at ebuyer - been using a ZOTAC 2080Ti - bought new for £800 - for a couple of years and it has done a good job).

 

last time I checked RTX4090s are 35% above MSRP now.