Soo much Corsair goodness.

[Gunfreak]

I think the corsair was the 3rd most shown plane in the 2023 and beyond video.

That usually means it's quite close to release... 

Also was that a 2  engine japanese bomber the corsair was shooting down?

Edited January 4, 2023 by Gunfreak

[NoodI]

probably. also f6f at end

[Silver_Dragon]

12 minutes ago, NoodI said:

probably. also f6f at end

The F-6F Hellcat to the pacific has a old plan by Nick Grey to DCS by ED (He pilot a F-6F on The Fighter Collection), and after, build Battle of Britain modules.

[rkk01]

Anyone click the opfor?

Sadly I think the “Zero” still looked like the Anton and the twin “Betty” a Ju-88

Happy to be persuaded otherwise

[Dragon1-1]

Really looking forward to it. WWII carrier ops are going to be exciting. I hope we'll get CVEs at some point down the line, for example the Casablanca class, with 144m flight deck.  

The AI Japanese fighters are presumably not done yet, hopefully we'll see them soon.

[-Rudel-]

Speaking of CVEs 

 

 

 

 

[Gunfreak]

8 hours ago, -Rudel- said:

Speaking of CVEs 

 

 

 

 

Are Mag3 coming out with a new year update? 

While I'm not that interested myself, A LOT of people want to know about the upgrade to the MiG21.

Also a hint about how long we have to wait for the corsair.

[dcn]

16小时前，Silver_Dragon说：

The F-6F Hellcat to the pacific has a old plan by Nick Grey to DCS by ED (He pilot a F-6F on The Fighter Collection), and after, build Battle of Britain modules.

Please no more allied aircraft,we have 5 allied aircraft now,plus F4U-1D,La-7 and F6F is 8,while we only have 3 axis aircraft.

[Silver_Dragon]

2 minutes ago, dcn said:

Please no more allied aircraft,we have 5 allied aircraft now,plus F4U-1D,La-7 and F6F is 8,while we only have 3 axis aircraft.

Remember F4U-1D and La-7, with I-16 has 3rd party aircrafts. Me262 has on the "fridge" by ED. M3 has plans to build a IJA/IJN aircraft on a future.

Edited January 5, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[dcn]

8分钟前，Silver_Dragon说：

Remember F4U-1D and La-7, with I-16 has 3rd party aircrafts. Me262 has on the "fridge" by ED. M3 has plans to build a IJA/IJN aircraft on a future.

 

Only taking modules made by ED into account,we have 4 allied aircraft now,plus F6F is 5,while we only have 3 axis aircraft.At least give us Me 262 first.

[Silver_Dragon]

5 hours ago, dcn said:

Only taking modules made by ED into account,we have 4 allied aircraft now,plus F6F is 5,while we only have 3 axis aircraft.At least give us Me 262 first.

ED making your aircrafts by the available info, no to get a "balance". Remember the problems to the the P-47 Flying data... and actually building the Me262 has a litle "problematic".

[Gunfreak]

5 hours ago, dcn said:

Only taking modules made by ED into account,we have 4 allied aircraft now,plus F6F is 5,while we only have 3 axis aircraft.At least give us Me 262 first.

Blame the Germans for using just 2 single engine fighters throughout the war.

While I want a G model 109 and early Anton Fw190, it's not a lot of major variation for the Germans. 

Only one I can think of of any use outside of more Fw190s and Me109s is the Me110, it did flew a bit against bombers in 42 and 43. 

Anything else will just be a single lonely plane that doesn't fit into the current DCS ww2 world. 

[Mars Exulte]

9 hours ago, dcn said:

Please no more allied aircraft,we have 5 allied aircraft now,plus F4U-1D,La-7 and F6F is 8,while we only have 3 axis aircraft.

You're extremely unlikely to ever get any Japanese stuff due to destruction of surviving aircraft and documents. The Germans didn't have the variety the Allies did, so it would either be earlier versions of what we already have, or possibly a Bf-110 or Me-410, but that's pretty much it, if there is enough data. Possibly a 262.

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, Mars Exulte said:

You're extremely unlikely to ever get any Japanese stuff due to destruction of surviving aircraft and documents. The Germans didn't have the variety the Allies did, so it would either be earlier versions of what we already have, or possibly a Bf-110 or Me-410, but that's pretty much it, if there is enough data. Possibly a 262.

One of Mag3 guys claim to have plenty of documentation for several japanese planes. There's also a flying Zero with japanese engine.

[The_Angry_Fox]

5 hours ago, Mars Exulte said:

You're extremely unlikely to ever get any Japanese stuff due to destruction of surviving aircraft and documents. The Germans didn't have the variety the Allies did, so it would either be earlier versions of what we already have, or possibly a Bf-110 or Me-410, but that's pretty much it, if there is enough data. Possibly a 262.

Let's not forget about the Italians - there are some beauties there and generally underrepresented in flight sims

[AG-51_Razor]

5 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

One of Mag3 guys claim to have plenty of documentation for several japanese planes. There's also a flying Zero with japanese engine.

You are correct Gunfreak but keep in mind that, just because there are one or more flying airframes of the plane you wish to see in DCS, that doesn't mean that the data necessary or required to replicate it in a simmulation is readily available. There is a tremendous amount of work involved with instrumenting a plane with the necessary sensors required to record the data you need to come up with a flight model for a simmulation. It's not only very difficult to do, it really fargging expensive in terms of equipment rental/purchase, engineering services, computer time and possibly most of all, flight time. I worked for a company that investigated the possibility of developing a simmulator for a helicopter we were operating and the flight time alone was going to be around 250 hours!! I have no idea what a warbird costs to operate beyond the cost of gas at around 100+ gallons per hour but for the helicopter we were trying to get a simmulator built for, the direct operating cost per hour was around $5000.00 so you can see how it can get pretty damn expensive pretty quick to attempt to grab the data you need for a decent EFM or PFM or whatever they call it in order to come up with a flight model that half the population of DCS will scream bloody murder about because it doesn't agree with their own assumptions of what it should, or shouldn't be able to do. It's a hard nut to crack.

[Mars Exulte]

16 hours ago, The_Angry_Fox said:

Let's not forget about the Italians - there are some beauties there and generally underrepresented in flight sims

Oh yeah! Good point. And I like the Romanian ones, too! IAR 81 ftw! No idea how readily available those are, though.

[Gambit21]

23 hours ago, Mars Exulte said:

You're extremely unlikely to ever get any Japanese stuff due to destruction of surviving aircraft and documents. The Germans didn't have the variety the Allies did, so it would either be earlier versions of what we already have, or possibly a Bf-110 or Me-410, but that's pretty much it, if there is enough data. Possibly a 262.

 

Once again, this is simply not true...it's an often repeated falsehood. Time for it to die.

Aside from documents there are a number of flying examples of Zeros and Oscars around.

 

I attended an airshow some years back with several Zeroes and Oscars in the air, and there are other things.

 

Here's a shot of the Oscar up near me.

 

 

[Gunfreak]

18 hours ago, The_Angry_Fox said:

Let's not forget about the Italians - there are some beauties there and generally underrepresented in flight sims

I think Italian planes would be awesome. But they don't fit into WW2 DCS world as is. If you makes Italians, you'd need a Med/North Africa/Malta map.

You'd need Italian AI  plane and ground assets, British early war ground assets,  Hurricanes,  P40s, Gladiators etc. Then really you'd need German Me109Es and Fs, Stukas etc etc. I'd love for that to happen. But it's not.

 

It does look like Mag3/ED will try and make it happen for Pacific. But who knows how fleshed out it will be, still lots of basics missing from the 1944 period.

[Dragon1-1]

As a matter of fact, there's a museum in the US with a huge collection of Japanese aircraft, which they're restoring. It's quite possible they have some documentation on hand, too. At least the Zero should definitely be possible (that and Oscar is what most people will want to fly), and the others should be doable as AI.

[Tshark]

I routinely visit the last original, flying, A6M5b at the Chino Planes of Fame museum.  I have seen it fly many times.  The info is out there.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

You know an airworthy aeroplane isn't the thing they need, right? It might help to some extent in ironing out details, specially piloting details, but still that doesn't tell the whole story and still you would have manage to somehow get permission to install some data recording devices, which not every owner out there is willing to, and even more talking about rare unique planes. Some wartime info might be out there, just go figure among all the paperwork gathered after the war, written in Japanese… sitting who knows where in an obscure archive.

Maybe not impossible, probably not, or yes, I don't know, but quite a tougher task than you think. In other platforms it's easy, you build a nice 3D model, use a couple numbers from wikipedia, and you're good to go. Not in DCS which is similar in that regard to any professional simulator out there no matter most people know what that means and imply or not. P-47 already was a PITA with regards to that, and it's a very well known subject, just the paper were destroyed by Fairchild because old papers. An a6m would probably be quite a huge undertaking compared to that. Hope some day we see it, sadly I won't hold my breath until it happens.

[Dragon1-1]

3 minutes ago, Ala13_ManOWar said:

Some wartime info might be out there, just go figure among all the paperwork gathered after the war, written in Japanese… sitting who knows where in an obscure archive.

Planes of Fame might have some, as mentioned, they're building a massive collection of Japanese aircraft, and restoring them accurately would often involve access to docs. Moreover, experience during restoration itself might be useful. Some original research and modeling might be needed, too, trying to recreate lost data (or data which was never measured in first place) which would no doubt be appreciated by historians.

Ultimately, if you can get the internal layout, a full 3D scan of the aircraft, and its engine specs, you're good. Aerodynamic data can be derived from the shape for both props and airframe, and if you know how the engine and radiators are built (how many turns, how thick are the hoses), it's quite possible to calculate their performance.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

I wish, but not that easily mate. Rebuilt examples aren't the thing, as already said. They're nice to have, still not the real thing not that gives you any data for Flight Modelling. They've already explained that a zillion times when P-47 data wasn't available, yet P-47 is a way more common and known subject. I don't envy them if they assume the task to properly model an a6m.

[Gunfreak]

I think Ruddel has said he has plenty of data and documentation on several Japanese planes.