DCS CH47 Discussion thread

[corbu1]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb Beirut:

 

I could well be wrong, but the video makes it sound like it's next in line to be released. 

 

Question:  "What is next in the pipeline coming soon? Can you even tell us?"

 

Wags: "I can, it's what's dominating most of my workday today, that's the Chinook. 

I did understand as Wags was speaking for ED not for a third party developer…..but hopefully I‘m wrong and the Chinook will really be next to be released…..but can‘t believe it.

[Beirut]

2 hours ago, corbu1 said:

I did understand as Wags was speaking for ED not for a third party developer…..but hopefully I‘m wrong and the Chinook will really be next to be released…..but can‘t believe it.

 

Again, I could be totally wrong, that's just the way I heard it. But I'll be very happy to see it come out soon. 

 

Give me the Chinook and Kola, and everything else can wait. 

[Bedouin]

14 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

Again, I could be totally wrong, that's just the way I heard it. But I'll be very happy to see it come out soon. 

 

Give me the Chinook and Kola, and everything else can wait. 

I am guessing the Kola, is still a bit far away.. read somewhere that they are 40% done since announcement... but yeah flying the Chinook on the Kola map 

[Beirut]

The CH-47 is going to be like the Mi-8 on steroids. I really enjoy the Mi-8 but the cockpit graphics desperately need some love. The Chinook is probably going to be at the Apache level of eye candy and that will be just fine. 

 

Maybe a pre-order tomorrow? 

[Silver_Dragon]

I dont think the CH-47F will be the next ED module, no pics, no videos, nothing by ED yet (to 2024). I think the next product by ED will be Normandy WW2. Others will be a WW2 module update as the Spitfire talked by ED mounths ago.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[Bedouin]

9 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

I dont think the CH-47F will be the next ED module, no pics, no videos, nothing by ED yet (to 2024). I think the next product by ED will be Normandy WW2. Others will be a WW2 module update as the Spitfire talked by ED mounths ago.

 

But when Wags in an interview comments that it will be the next in the pipeline, then how do you conclude this statement to be wrong..? Do you got some juicy insider info you wanna share

[MAXsenna]

Next ED release? Teased in the New Year video.
Preorders in September with a Christmas release? Wouldn't surprise me.

OT
It's heartbreaking what's happening in Maui now. Did see some footage of Chinooks doing fire fighting there.

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[Silver_Dragon]

3 hours ago, Bedouin said:

But when Wags in an interview comments that it will be the next in the pipeline, then how do you conclude this statement to be wrong..? Do you got some juicy insider info you wanna share

Wags talked about the next module on progress by ED. But Nineline and others ED members has talked some updates on progress on old modules, as F-5, Spitfire, Supercarrier, etc.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all, we will share news about the CH-47 when we are ready. Thank you for your patience. 

[lil-hammer84]

On 8/11/2023 at 12:23 PM, BIGNEWY said:

Hi all, we will share news about the CH-47 when we are ready. Thank you for your patience. 

lol well hurry up about it! Some of us want to hear the Wokka Soar about! ok ok we know the developers got alot on their plate. It's just we got a a lot of over eager couch pilots that wanna get their hands on this and many other modules.

Edited August 13, 2023 by lil-hammer84

[lil-hammer84]

Taking a closer look at the latest vid' from Mover, Gonky, Wags and Wombat... hearing about the ch47F Glass cockpit... looking forward to the chinook in general. Can someone define what the glass cockpit is? those the Analogue instruments or with the LCD Monitors displaying the instruments as a whole?

[Bedouin]

Canadian CH-47 with glass-cockpit

[Berniyh]

Do all CH47 have inverted control interfaces for pilot and co-pilot?

[Rick50]

On 8/16/2023 at 1:05 AM, Berniyh said:

Do all CH47 have inverted control interfaces for pilot and co-pilot?

 

Usually the glass cockpit displays, each panel can be switched to another with just the press of a button. Fancier ones can display some amazing stuff, lots of options for pilots to change things on the fly, to handle changing tasks and workloads.  I'll bet there are programmable modes, one for preflight and takeoff, another for advanced low level cruise navigation, yet another for approaching the LZ, or a hot target, yet another for SAM detection and defence along with air threats like interceptors. 

I think the picture possibly represents a commonly used configuration in military glass cockpits, the outboard have basic flight displays, but the inboard two displays have different information but both flight crew can easily see the other's display... more information visible to both pilots.

Went flying with a coworker a few years ago, his Vans Aircraft homebuild had a glass cockpit that had my jaw drop to the floor! The display options, and the information itself were more advanced than what you normally see on declassified displays for the Raptor and Lightning, or on modern Boeings. I'd imagine the new stealthy planes have some amazing displays for those with security clearances!

 

[Berniyh]

Thanks, but I was also referring to the layout of cyclic and collective. To me it seems that the left pilot is using the left hand for the cyclic and the right for the collective, which is pretty unusual for a helicopter?

I know that they also do this in some of the newer Airbus airliners, but in a helicopter I'd say that switching between hands is much harder compared to an airliner?

[Bedouin]

From my viewpoint and understanding its as normal as most other choppers, with the collective on the left and cyclic in middle for both sides of the cockpit

[MAXsenna]

From my viewpoint and understanding its as normal as most other choppers, with the collective on the left and cyclic in middle for both sides of the cockpit

My mind plays tricks on me. I can only see the collective grip.

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[Berniyh]

2 hours ago, Bedouin said:

From my viewpoint and understanding its as normal as most other choppers, with the collective on the left and cyclic in middle for both sides of the cockpit

I thought that what you can see at the bottom, slightly left from the middle in the image in the post that I quoted is a part of the co-pilot collective.

 

I also had a brief look at some cockpit photos from CH47 before, e.g.:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fryf8r6kkvqp51.jpg

 

 

 

I think I was confused a bit by those additional grips. I thought those were the collectives. I think when first looking at the images, I overlooked or misinterpreted the role of the actual collective.

However that means there is a question remaining: what are those additional grips for?

Edited August 18, 2023 by Berniyh

[Rick50]

Oops!!

 

I've no idea of the extra grip functions. Seen similar on other helos though, the fancier Black Hawks, some SAR birds, on a few these have on off switches for search lights, pointing controls for same and for FLIR sensor ball aiming, maybe invert hot/cold image and so on.  But on modern Chinooks specificaly, dunno!

Edited August 18, 2023 by Rick50

[Alicatt]

Alicatt getting a look inside a Chinook at RAF Cosford

I hope DCS will give us the run about that the Cosford display team takes with them when they go away from base.

The display team were sponsored by Landrover and they managed to fit the Range Rover Sport into the back of the Chinook , mind you the driver had to exit via the rear hatchback door

We were there as a Range Rover Sport club (RRS) courtesy of the British Army and Landrover

My RRS:

[JDen]

I’m very intrigued by the Chinook module. Firstly I’m very interested in the aircraft itself, and I really look forward to it, but I’m also intrigued by ED’s claims of it being a CH-47F. I mean absolutely no disrespect, and I’m a big fan of DCS and of what Eagle Dynamics has been able to achieve with the DCS platform, so I am in no way a “hater” of DCS. That said, the “CH-47F” looks like an ICH-47F. That’s from the announcement in January, and from the screenshots yesterday, September 1. The countermeasures(?) on the side match that of the ICH and not the CH, the radio antennae match that of an ICH and not a CH. And in January, the external and cockpit models were absolutely determinate of its identity as an ICH-47F.

This is no pop shot at ED or to the Chinook development, but I am confused why it’s being referred to as the CH-47F. I’ve seen other people in the community who are also intrigued. Again, no disrespect to anyone, and I’ve got nothing but love for ED and DCS, but I would love to hear the reason why it’s being referred to as a CH and not the ICH that it most certainly is. Is it something to do with the source information being used for development? Professional contractual agreement? Just politely curious, that’s all.

 

@BIGNEWY

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[Rick50]

My guess is: 

MARKETING!!!!!

 

To rotorfans all over the world, it's a CH-47 Chinook... the rest is just details!

To sell something, getting people to recognise what it is is a HUGE step. And if a sim product doesn't sell  well, it doesn't sell at all. I'm guessing simulations aren't making anyone rich. Some will do ok, one or two might make a boat of money, but most will do so for the love of the aircraft and simulations. Much easier to make HUUUUUUGE money getting lucky being the next super viral  "hangry birbs"  or "candi crush". 

[JDen]

36 minutes ago, Rick50 said:

To rotorfans all over the world, it's a CH-47 Chinook... the rest is just details!

To sell something, getting people to recognise what it is is a HUGE step. And if a sim product doesn't sell  well, it doesn't sell at all. I'm guessing simulations aren't making anyone rich. Some will do ok, one or two might make a boat of money, but most will do so for the love of the aircraft and simulations. Much easier to make HUUUUUUGE money getting lucky being the next super viral  "hangry birbs"  or "candi crush". 

That’s an interesting perspective that I hadn’t thought of. I’d also like to hear what BN and/or 9L say. Your opinion definitely seems plausible, I’d like to hear the official story too. Thanks!

[JDen]

7 hours ago, Coeptus said:

The variant specifically is the ICH-47F, which is strange because ED seems to be marketing this as the CH-47F. I assume it's got something to do with a contract with the Italian government. But still, it's more capable I'd say against the CH-47F as it has the LOAL, Improved WX Radar, and CSAR as well Recon equipment. 

I’m sure it’s got something to do with government contract just based on how advanced the ICH-47F model is. Firstly it’s closely based on the most advanced variant of the standard Chinook in the world, and on top of that, it has a lot of added equipment, as you pointed out. Plus, it was first delivered to the Italian Army in 2014, making it by far the most modern aircraft in DCS. To get enough information to develop the ICH ought to have taken a government contract to get access.

As for us, I believe they may be calling it a CH-47F for marketing, as it’s a more recognizable name. Especially if they intend to add an American CH-47F in addition. They could quite easily remove all of the ICH equipment, change the cockpit model to remove some added controls, and change out the nose cone. If they were to introduce the ICH-47F with a simplified CH-47F model, I would market it as a CH-47F, as that would be more definitive and more recognizable. In that case, ED is making a good move.

[Rick50]

Ok, so looking at the wiki page, it seems as if there's a LOT of new operators of the F variant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CH-47_Chinook

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Boeing delivered 48 CH-47Fs to the U.S. Army through August 2008; at that time Boeing announced a $4.8 billion contract with the Army for 191 Chinooks.[96] The U.S. Army plans for a Block 3 upgrade after 2025, which could include a new 6,000 hp (4,500 kW) class engine with boosted power capacity of the transmission and drive train developed under the future affordable turbine engine (FATE) program and a lengthened fuselage. 

 

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The German government announced in June 2022 that the CH-47F Block 2 was selected as the winner of its heavy helicopter program to replace its Sikorsky CH-53G Sea Stallion fleet.[101][102]

 

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In February 2007, the Royal Netherlands Air Force became the first international customer of the CH-47F model, expanding their Chinook fleet to 17.[64]

On 10 August 2009, Canada signed a contract for 15 extensively modified and upgraded CH-47Fs for the Canadian Forces, later delivered in 2013–2014 with the Canadian designation CH-147F.[11][65]

On 15 December 2009, Britain announced its Future Helicopter Strategy, including the purchase of 24 new CH-47Fs to be delivered from 2012.[66]

Australia ordered seven CH-47Fs in March 2010 to replace its six CH-47Ds between 2014 and 2017.[67][68]

In September 2015, India approved purchase of 15 CH-47F Chinooks.[69]

On 7 November 2016, Singapore announced that the CH-47F would replace its older Chinooks, which had been in service since 1994, enabling the Republic of Singapore Air Force to meet its requirements for various operations, including Search and Rescue (SAR), Aeromedical Evacuation (AME), and Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR) operations.[70]

That's a lot of recent sales, especially considering the unit cost being quite high, being bought by countries that don't always have a lot of money for military purchases. I think part of the reason for the sales, is that many have extensive experience with the older airframes and see the flexible value  in them, and want to retain the capabilities for their nations. Deploying to remote locations, this heli  does many things, including being a mobile crane in  a  pinch. Then there is it's high value during natural disaster relief, whether for one's own country, or to help another country. I think that sometimes, when nations who are in conflict with each other, send help, it can have a thawing of tensions, the opportunity to work together to save a people from suffering. Such events are not easily forgotten, at the national and local level. The C-130 Hercules has also been used in pretty much every single disaster relief event since it entered service, so it's nice to see both these airframes enter DCS as full modules!