Rainer_B. Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, X_legio said: Hi, we have to continue to use the --force_enable_VR --force_OpenXR parameter to have the native openxr ? Yes. That's in the MT FAQ. Works also. Apache with Textures high is also a No Go.
dburne Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Today's update with MT is absolutely incredible, spent most of the day flying and loving my new found performance in my Varjo Aero. Well done ED! 1 Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
Willie Nelson Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) deleted Edited March 10, 2023 by Willie Nelson i7700k OC to 4.8GHz with Noctua NH-U14S (fan) with AORUS RTX2080ti 11GB Waterforce. 32GDDR, Warthog HOTAS and Saitek rudders. HP Reverb.
Digitalvole Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Oh typical, I’m indulging in my other hobby at the mo (see profile pic) and this is when MT drops!?!? How dare you ED!!! … …Only joking Well played and thank you ED! It must have been a metric butt tonne of work. Can’t wait to try it out, once I’ve just got a few more space marines painted. 1
ignition22 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Was hoping for good things but no noticeable change with 5800x3d and AMD 6800 with G2 using OpenXR. Load times seem faster and the interior on the hanger on the menu page is noticeably red but that's about it. Still a lot of ground micro stutter when looking out the side of the aircraft on all maps and Marianas nearly unplayable I think maybe even slightly worse. FPS unchanged. Am probably GPU bound but was hoping for less stutter at least.
EightyDuce Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, ignition22 said: Was hoping for good things but no noticeable change with 5800x3d and AMD 6800 with G2 using OpenXR. Load times seem faster and the interior on the hanger on the menu page is noticeably red but that's about it. Still a lot of ground micro stutter when looking out the side of the aircraft on all maps and Marianas nearly unplayable I think maybe even slightly worse. FPS unchanged. Am probably GPU bound but was hoping for less stutter at least. You're likely GPU bound for which CPU/Mt isn't going to do much. You could try drop settings until you're CPU bound then try same settings in non-MT build and compare performance. Windows 11 23H2| ASUS X670E-F STRIX | AMD 9800X3D@ 5.6Ghz | G.Skill 64Gb DDR5 6200 28-36-36-38 | RTX 4090 undervolted | MSI MPG A1000G PSU | VKB MCG Ultimate + VKB T-Rudders + WH Throttle | HP Reverb G2 Quest 3 + VD
gialo87 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 For me the openxr toolkit not work on dcs mt with g2... Someone can confirm?
ignition22 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, gialo87 said: For me the openxr toolkit not work on dcs mt with g2... Someone can confirm? What is your definition of wont work? I can access the open toolkit in game and for example turn on the fps counter just fine with mt and a g2
gialo87 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Dcs crash, when i disable open xr tool dcs start normally You use open composite or native openxr?
Willdass Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, gialo87 said: Dcs crash, when i disable open xr tool dcs start normally You use open composite or native openxr? Same for me, with Varjo Aero and native openxr DCS crashes either in loading screen or in the menu if I have OpenXR ToolKit enabled. https://www.youtube.com/@Willdass Setup: VPC Warbrd with TM F/A-18 stick on 10cm extension, Realsimulator FSSB-R3 MK II Ultra with F16SGRH grip, Winwing Super Taurus throttle, SimGears F-16 ICP, Winwing Combat and Take Off Panels, TM TPR Pendular Rudders, 3x TM Cougar MFD's, Simshaker Jetpad, Wacom Intuos S for OpenKneeboard. PC: RTX 4090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 64gb RAM 3600mhz, Varjo Aero, HP Reverb G2, Meta Quest Pro
gialo87 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 1 minuto fa, Willdass ha scritto: Same for me, with Varjo Aero and native openxr DCS crashes either in loading screen or in the menu if I have OpenXR ToolKit enabled. Tomorrow i try with open composite 1
wju Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) significant CPU boost in my favourite CPU_Test mission, i.e. FW190A, Normandy Quick Action, Airfield attack - just before attack well done! Edited March 12, 2023 by wju 2 CPU AMD 9800X3D, GPU nVidia RTX 4090, 64GB RAM 6000Mhz; HP Reverb G2; VKB Ultimate stick; VIRPIL Throttle; Slaw Pedals; custom AXIS&BTN BOX based on MMJOY2
Willdass Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, gialo87 said: Tomorrow i try with open composite Just read on discord that someone fixed this issue with a reset of their openxr toolkit settings. Going to give that a shot tomorrow Edited March 10, 2023 by Willdass grammar... https://www.youtube.com/@Willdass Setup: VPC Warbrd with TM F/A-18 stick on 10cm extension, Realsimulator FSSB-R3 MK II Ultra with F16SGRH grip, Winwing Super Taurus throttle, SimGears F-16 ICP, Winwing Combat and Take Off Panels, TM TPR Pendular Rudders, 3x TM Cougar MFD's, Simshaker Jetpad, Wacom Intuos S for OpenKneeboard. PC: RTX 4090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 64gb RAM 3600mhz, Varjo Aero, HP Reverb G2, Meta Quest Pro
gialo87 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 4 minuti fa, Willdass ha scritto: Just saw someone fix this issue with a reset oftheir openxr toolkit settings. Going to give that a shot tomorrow Ok let me know if it works 1
RealDCSpilot Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Best thing is, we also will get DLSS and Vulkan on top of MT... 1 i9 13900K @5.5GHz, Z790 Gigabyte Aorus Master, RTX4090 Waterforce, 64 GB DDR5 @5600, PSVR2, Pico 4 Ultra, HOTAS & Rudder: all Virpil with Rhino FFB base made by VPforce, DCS: all modules
NBee Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Just want to show the difference between Multi-threading On vs off in terms of FPS and CPU Load System win 11 AMD ryzen 75800x3D Nvidia 4090 Same track replay with and without MT · Blue track is FPS with MT · Yellow track is CPU Frame time with MT on · Orange is FPS without MT · Gray is CPU Frame time with MT OFF Conclusion: In my system MT dos not help in getting higher FPS since I am GPU bound most of the time. But if you look at the CPU frame time you can se a clear difference, the frame time is significant lower with MT on. So, systems with CPU limitations will benefit from MT. One thing I have noticed with MT on is that the graphical quality seems to suffer, and introduce shimmering 3
smickums Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Flextremes said: I'm on 10: highly optimized. I clearly do notice a significant boost. How do you come to this conclusion? a friend of mine said something...but i'm not so sure that he was correct. he read somewhere about the cpu scheduler in windows 11 being better than windows 10
Hotdognz Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 DCS Shortcut used for clarity "D:\DCS World OpenBeta\bin-mt\DCS.exe" --force_enable_VR Regarding M/T I saw no improvement, same FPS in all my test missions, HT is enabled in my BIOS, disabling it makes no difference G2 with 4090 64gb 3500 DDR4, 13700K Instant action/Syria/F18 - Free flight 57-60FPS Instant action/Caucus/Apache- Ready on the range 57/60 All my settings the same prior to the update, both missions sit at 55-60 FPS which is the same as post patch Enabling the shadows I now lose only 1-2 FPS, but the game looks heaps better. DCS FPS counter says I'm CPU bound. OpenXR Toolkit was reporting CPU 5.6/GPU 15.8 Next I changed my OpenXR Toolkit settings Upscaling/Sharping from CAS to NIS (CAS look sharper to me so I lost some clarity) Scaling 85% Sharpness 65% OpenXR now reports CPU 5.8/GPU 13.2 and I saw an a FPS jump to 65-70 Using the Plazma torture test mission I can sit at 70+ FPS now CPU 5.7/GPU 11.8 (mission linked here) As soon as the CBUs drop it goes down to 30-35 FPS, once that clears its back to 66+ The Plasma torture test simulates a heavily populated MP server you fly an F16 straight through the action and watch the FPS, its a great test mission tweaking settings for online game play, use the editor to change to the plane you want. My conclusion is not much change at all until changed OpenXR Toolkit from CAS to NIS so the FPS boost was controlled by openXR settings. Im now able to run the shadows again but this was a bug that was fixed. plazma_torture_map_2022_F16.miz
ChariotOfFLAME Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hotdognz said: DCS Shortcut used for clarity "D:\DCS World OpenBeta\bin-mt\DCS.exe" --force_enable_VR Regarding M/T I saw no improvement, same FPS in all my test missions, HT is enabled in my BIOS, disabling it makes no difference G2 with 4090 64gb 3500 DDR4, 13700K ... Out of curiosity, Windows 10 or 11?
sun4eg Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 4090 + 5800x3D user - did not notice any performance difference in single-player. Did not tried MP yet - it should be the place of most (positive) impact of the patch. However I did notice something surprisingly odd: took a ride in my test mission on Syria starting at 35k near Israel - cities seem to be more detailed at that altitude than it used to be before. I mean city at 35k is no longer uniform flat grayish mess, but somewhat similar to city with blocks of buildings. Not sure if they adjusted LODs for terrain or it is my Friday's pint... I did not tried any other map/location so far. Did anyone notice any visual difference in terms of LODs at high altitude?
Hotdognz Posted March 11, 2023 Posted March 11, 2023 58 minutes ago, ChariotOfFLAME said: Out of curiosity, Windows 10 or 11? Windows 10
Flextremes Posted March 11, 2023 Author Posted March 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Digitalvole said: Oh typical, I’m indulging in my other hobby at the mo (see profile pic) and this is when MT drops!?!? How dare you ED!!! … …Only joking Well played and thank you ED! It must have been a metric butt tonne of work. Can’t wait to try it out, once I’ve just got a few more space marines painted. Yeah the Team deserves a couple of Lockheed Martin C-5M Super Galaxys fully loaded with Kudos containers. I suspect it is not just MT implementation: there has been so much more, single-threaded seems also faster. I imagine a lot of performance optimization changes went under the radar. 38 minutes ago, sun4eg said: 4090 + 5800x3D user - did not notice any performance difference in single-player. Did not tried MP yet - it should be the place of most (positive) impact of the patch. However I did notice something surprisingly odd: took a ride in my test mission on Syria starting at 35k near Israel - cities seem to be more detailed at that altitude than it used to be before. I mean city at 35k is no longer uniform flat grayish mess, but somewhat similar to city with blocks of buildings. Not sure if they adjusted LODs for terrain or it is my Friday's pint... I did not tried any other map/location so far. Did anyone notice any visual difference in terms of LODs at high altitude? How did you measure? You will not see fps increases, but both CPU and GPU frame times, performance headroom, and stutter reduction are massively improved. It is just so much better. I did not notice any degradation in LOD and viewing distances. It is almost dumbfounding you cannot notice the improvements. Did you start the DCS.exe from the Bin-MT folder? 1
Hotdognz Posted March 11, 2023 Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, PLUTON said: how do you know if MT is enabled in the bios? You enable Hyper Threading (Intel) SMT (AMD) in your Bios. (Google it) MT is the multithreading that Ed has actioned
Larry Brown Posted March 11, 2023 Posted March 11, 2023 It locks up on the opening screen of DCS for myself and my friend. He using 4090 me 3090, both using HP G2. Any ideas?
Recommended Posts