Fly heli by mouse !??

[spooky]

Hi,

As a battlefield 2 chopper pilot for years, i'd preferred to map mouse axis to heli control than joystick. A notebook and a good mouse is enough to play game in boring class :D

 

In Lockon, i can map those just fine:

mouse_x => bank

mouse_y => pitch

mouse_z => throttle

 

But in Blackshark, when i try the above axis mapping, the control point only move when i move my mouse. It resets to zero when the mouse stop. Moreover, amount of change is very small.

 

Is there anyway to achieve similar axis mapping in BS as it was in lockon?

Thanks.

Edited February 2, 2009 by spooky

[diveplane]

wow fly with a mouse .. =not good imo

[Kuky]

If flying with mouse would be better they would fit helicopters with mouse, not joystick and rudder pedals. Maybe you can play those arcade games with mouse but DCS Black Shark is far from arcade "flying"

[LIONPRIDE]

Hi,

As a battlefield 2 chopper pilot for years ...

 

I hate to sound as a 'hater' ... but that statement is actually part of the problem. :D ... your kinda asking for trouble just asking that here.

 

The flight model is much more complicated then BF and the Jets in LockOn for that matter. As for the simple process of mapping it ... I've had issues with mapping keys in this sim too. It just takes a bit of trial and error. Try using the different sub menus of the control settings to see if they're what you're looking for.

 

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PS. ... Love your avatar DivePlane !

 

 

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[tdar]

yeah, i used to play bf2 a LOT but even then i used a joystick for the helos!

[Glowing_Amraam]

My helicopter "skills" actually comes from Battlefield 2 :D

And i was also using the mouse.

 

But for Black Shark....joystick is the way to go.

[spyda]

i'm pretty sure u can use the keys in arcade mode, id try that in class first

[maskim]

On a similar note, is it possible to assign commands to the mouse wheel, other than the zoom in cockpit?

Im flying this beast with a keyboard and mouse for now, and it would be nice to be able to control the collective with the mouse wheel, and have a modifier pressed for zooming in cockpit.

Slewing the shkval with the mouse axis should be possible as well.

 

I plan to buy a joystick in the near future, but until then i'm learning all the systems and the navigation. So it's just about wether is it possible to use the mouse to do different things, not about me wanting to fly this sim the unholy arcade way

[Frederf]

I think most mice wheels are "Mouse_Z" as an axis and thus should be bindable just like any other joystick axis. I believe it's a bit of a virtual axis since mouse wheels don't have absolute scales just up and down commands.

[maskim]

Okay, but how can i actually bind it? If i just click on the collective up/down in the control menu, where it says mouse, i can only select the buttons, but no axis.

If it has to be done through lua editing, please give me a clue to where can i find the necessary files.

[Stuntie]

Hi,

As a battlefield 2 chopper pilot for years, i'd preferred to map mouse axis to heli control than joystick. A notebook and a good mouse is enough to play game in boring class :D....

 

Get a joystick. Seriously! You will fly 10 times better, and get much more out of it than trying to fly with a mouse. you will soon start to wonder why you ever flew with a mouse. It really does make a world of difference with this Sim.

 

It doesn't need to be a big flash multi buttoned one, a basic joystick will for now. You will not regret it.

[barrypotter]

I don't think it is as dumb an idea as some people think. I prefer to fly helicopters in X-plane and Flightgear with mouse controlling pitch and roll, and use my joystick throttle with other hand. I find in these sims (with the mouse) I can be much my accurate with fine rapid adjustments, helping a lot with hovering and landing. Lets face it, your common joystick isn't a very good substitute for real life helicopter controls. Using a mouse in the sims I mentioned does feel very un-natural and takes a lot of getting use to (relative to a joystick). I also understand that the FM in Blackshark is much more advanced than Flightgears and probably X-planes also, just saying people shouldn't dismiss the idea out of hand...and hopefully someone can provide an answer to the original posts question.

[element1108]

It's just so hard to picture flying the shark with a mouse. Who knows what works for people, it sounds unbelievably difficult to me. Especially in a combat environment.

 

Tracker IR, pedals, joystick and throttle all moving in perfect harmony (plus hotas manipulation) to keep that bird combat effective.

 

I spring for an X52 on ebay ( like $70-120)...will be worth it for long run effective gameplay I think.

 

If not and you can figure it out...all the power to you mate!

[barrypotter]

Ultimately I think a modded joystick like some seen on these forums would be best, but I don't want to do that to my joystick I use for jet/plane sims.

[hannibal]

wow fly with a mouse .. =not good imo

 

let me tell u something, when i was on battlefield 2, the guys that were on mouse and keyboard were doing some crazy things on the helicopters....

 

i couldnt play like that wither, so i resorted to an xbox controller..

 

DONT UNDER ESTIMATE THE MOUSE AND KYBOARD..

 

(plz dont tell me about how arcade BF2 is, i know it is, and i know Black shark is a sim, i dont have to be reminded)

 

POINT IS...

 

DONT UNDER ESTIMATE THE MOUSE AND KYBOARD..

[barrypotter]

We should drag this back on topic and not make it about whether people think its a good idea or not.

 

 

Hi,

 

In Lockon, i can map those just fine:

mouse_x => bank

mouse_y => pitch

mouse_z => throttle

 

But in Blackshark, when i try the above axis mapping, the control point only move when i move my mouse. It resets to zero when the mouse stop. Moreover, amount of change is very small.

 

Is there anyway to achieve similar axis mapping in BS as it was in lockon?

Thanks.

[KrUEgER888]

Not so smart I think, been playing BF series since BF 1942, the helis FM compared to BS is like flying rc heli instead of real one.

My 2 cents.

 

P.S. Used to fly with keyboard in BF.

 

Anyway good luck trying.

Edited April 6, 2009 by KrUEgER888

[104th_Crunch]

Sorry, I have to comment here. First, sorry Spooky I can not help you with your problem. Secondly, not one response here actually helps Spooky. The guy wants to play on a laptop while not at home. Just a lot of comments on how you should not be using a mouse. Why do you think ED included mouse control and arcade mode in the first place? If we had thousands of people playing BS with a mouse in arcade mode and the rest of us using joysticks in realistic mode we would all be better off!

 

I hope Spooky you can get the mouse setup to work well.

Edited April 7, 2009 by Crunch

[Legolasindar]

Hi,

As a battlefield 2 chopper pilot for years, i'd preferred to map mouse axis to heli control than joystick. A notebook and a good mouse is enough to play game in boring class :D

 

In Lockon, i can map those just fine:

mouse_x => bank

mouse_y => pitch

mouse_z => throttle

 

But in Blackshark, when i try the above axis mapping, the control point only move when i move my mouse. It resets to zero when the mouse stop. Moreover, amount of change is very small.

 

Is there anyway to achieve similar axis mapping in BS as it was in lockon?

Thanks.

 

OMG!

[barrypotter]

Not so smart I think, been playing BF series since BF 1942, the helis FM compared to BS is like flying rc heli instead of real one.

My 2 cents.

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Your 2 cents has been devalued to 0. No one wants to know whether you think its a good idea.

[congo]

Sorry, I have to comment here. First, sorry Spooky I can not help you with your problem. Secondly, not one response here actually helps Spooky. The guys wants to play on a laptop while not at home. Just a lot of snobbery on how you should not be using a mouse. Why do you think ED included mouse control and arcade mode in the first place? If we had thousands of people playing BS with a mouse in arcade mode and the rest of us using joysticks in realistic mode we would all be better off!

 

I hope Spooky you can get the mouse setup to work well.

 

Crunch,

 

Very diplomatically said and I agree with your above statement. I tip my hat to you. Spooky you might investigate virtual joystick programs and such I'm sure there is a way to do it. Good luck but remember if the class is a required course pay a little attention so you can pass it.