Quest Pro vs G2 Impressions - 4090/7950x3D

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Sad...still very sad...

[slughead]

23 hours ago, YoYo said:

Hmmmm. I feel like you're talking about something else. I know we're talking about the whole screen in Oculus App, but just count it. So you're supposed to have 6464x3328 for the whole screen if its more understandable to you, because that gives you 1.3 and then 1.15. Real resolution reporting is available in the OpenXR Toolkit also (as hiden option). In Oculus App self you cant reach more than 2816x2896 (72Hz) per eye as I see vs need 3232x3328 so my question was very simply if you wrote that its possible to put higher resolution in Oculus App, more than 2816x2896 per eye so more than 5408x2736 in Oculus home. I hope its clear for you. Maybe you fly only with defalut resolution so you dont need it, I dont know.

I have posted my settings many times. I don't use the default render resolution as that is blurry. I adjust it until the text on the F-16 DED is clear. Just for you, as you're "special", here they are again...

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Edited June 2, 2023 by slughead

[Festom]

Nobody use fov multiplier? 0.85 and free fps

[freehand]

Totally loving this head set. 

[skywalker22]

New to Quest Pro, got it today. No matter what I do, DCS does not want to start in VR. Read this and some other topics here, but no luck so far.

I am connected over a cable successfully (in Oculus app and in VR headset), but not with the one which came in the box (what a shame, why they give it anyway), but I use one of my own.

Anyway, I press Quest Link Rift from Quick settings, then I come to some black page with three dots blinking... and thats it. Don't even know how to come out of this. Then after few minutes I get a message "Quest Link isn't responding", And Close button. And then back to main lobby (image with a house and some waterfalls). 

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PS: some progress, I am hearing sound now in DCS when it come to the main page - but no picture, only those 3 white dots are blinking (still).

There is an issue with a cable, although I have connected it to USB 3.2 (10 Gbps), Oculus app says its connected to USB 2.0 (360 Mbps). Is this maybe the problem? Might be the cable issue as well.

Edited June 2, 2023 by skywalker22

[Mk1_Trebuchet]

1 hour ago, skywalker22 said:

There is an issue with a cable, although I have connected it to USB 3.2 (10 Gbps), Oculus app says its connected to USB 2.0 (360 Mbps). Is this maybe the problem? Might be the cable issue as well.

 

Used to be a snake-oil marketing tactic that you 'need a special cable'... These days it's a reality.  Get your hands on a certified USB 3.1 or 3.2 cable and it will probably work.  (Don't trust that Amazon will send a real 3.2 cable, even if it explicitly says so.... Ask me how I know) 

[DirtyMike0330]

12 hours ago, Festom said:

Nobody use fov multiplier? 0.85 and free fps

Can you elaborate a little on what it does? 

[diamond26]

7 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

There is an issue with a cable, although I have connected it to USB 3.2 (10 Gbps), Oculus app says its connected to USB 2.0 (360

This is not what you want to see when you test the link cable. You should see USB3 and speed above 1.9 gbps. Also when you see these 3 dots, try: disconnect Oculus, power off both PC and oculus and start up again. Sometimes you need to reconnect the Oculus cable on the fly to get rid of this problem. Most times I’ve seen this behavior was when I was switching between different Hz settings (72,80,90)

2 hours ago, DirtyMike0330 said:

Can you elaborate a little on what it does? 

It renders a smaller area on your headset and thus increasing FPS performance. Usually you don’t see the black bars around the image until you hit 0.75 but each individual sees it differently. As with most settings in ODT, you need to put it before you start DCS. To get a feeling what it is just try an extreme figure first like 0.5 (it should look like a tunnel view)

[skywalker22]

15 minutes ago, diamond26 said:

This is not what you want to see when you test the link cable. You should see USB3 and speed above 1.9 gbps. Also when you see these 3 dots, try: disconnect Oculus, power off both PC and oculus and start up again. Sometimes you need to reconnect the Oculus cable on the fly to get rid of this problem. Most times I’ve seen this behavior was when I was switching between different Hz settings (72,80,90)

Thx.
Am I right about the USB-C to USB-C cable which is in the box of Quest Pro, that is only meant for charging, and not for connectivity with Link cable to PC (with at 10Gpps)? 

[diamond26]

8 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

Thx.
Am I right about the USB-C to USB-C cable which is in the box of Quest Pro, that is only meant for charging, and not for connectivity with Link cable to PC (with at 10Gpps)? 

Yes it shouldn’t be good for connectivity (at least the Q2 one wasn’t) 

[skywalker22]

18 minutes ago, diamond26 said:

Yes it shouldn’t be good for connectivity (at least the Q2 one wasn’t) 

I wrote to Meta, and wrote all what was on my mind. Isn't a shame, that you have to buy a (f*cking) new cable to connect 1000+€ worth equipment? I would assume that cable comes with the box. I had exactly the same issue with I bought Reverb G2 - I had to buy a V2 cable additionally - but HP paid for it, after some ugly talk. Seems that the story repeats ones again.

Just don't get it, how they cannot provide the right cable inside-the-box.

[slughead]

6 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

I wrote to Meta, and wrote all what was on my mind. Isn't a shame, that you have to buy a (f*cking) new cable to connect 1000+€ worth equipment? I would assume that cable comes with the box. I had exactly the same issue with I bought Reverb G2 - I had to buy a V2 cable additionally - but HP paid for it, after some ugly talk. Seems that the story repeats ones again.

Just don't get it, how they cannot provide the right cable inside-the-box.

You don’t have to use a cable. You could use Air Link. That’s why it’s optional.

[diamond26]

11 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

I wrote to Meta, and wrote all what was on my mind. Isn't a shame, that you have to buy a (f*cking) new cable to connect 1000+€ worth equipment? I would assume that cable comes with the box. I had exactly the same issue with I bought Reverb G2 - I had to buy a V2 cable additionally - but HP paid for it, after some ugly talk. Seems that the story repeats ones again.

Just don't get it, how they cannot provide the right cable inside-the-box.

Unfortunately Quest headsets are sold as standalone VR headsets. PCVR comes as an option. But I use a good cable from these guys and I am extra satisfied. https://eu.vrcover.com/collections/all/products/premium-usb-c-cable-for-oculus™-quest-2-2m

Edited June 3, 2023 by diamond26

[skywalker22]

42 minutes ago, slughead said:

You don’t have to use a cable. You could use Air Link. That’s why it’s optional.

I would, but my wifi here sucks - don't ask why is that so.

[Baldrick33]

1 hour ago, skywalker22 said:

I wrote to Meta, and wrote all what was on my mind. Isn't a shame, that you have to buy a (f*cking) new cable to connect 1000+€ worth equipment? I would assume that cable comes with the box. I had exactly the same issue with I bought Reverb G2 - I had to buy a V2 cable additionally - but HP paid for it, after some ugly talk. Seems that the story repeats ones again.

Just don't get it, how they cannot provide the right cable inside-the-box.

Those are two quite different experiences. The HP is a PCVR device, they had some issues with cables supplied and replaced them with an updated design on request where people experienced issues.

The Quest Pro is sold as a standalone devices with a charging cable in the box. If you want to connect it to a PC that is an option that many wouldn’t wish to pay extra for a connecting cable.

Edited June 3, 2023 by Baldrick33

[Mr_sukebe]

8 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

Thx.
Am I right about the USB-C to USB-C cable which is in the box of Quest Pro, that is only meant for charging, and not for connectivity with Link cable to PC (with at 10Gpps)? 

Correct.

I believe that the included cable is USB2 standard, not 3.1, which has a massively higher data transmission capability

Edited June 3, 2023 by Mr_sukebe

[Festom]

11 hours ago, DirtyMike0330 said:

Can you elaborate a little on what it does? 

Reduce the image size. With 0.85 you see the same, but dont lose gpu power generating things that you cant see.

 

0.85 its perfect for me. For example, with 0.7 , can see black if i look at the edges.

 

Sorry for my english

[DirtyMike0330]

9 hours ago, diamond26 said:

This is not what you want to see when you test the link cable. You should see USB3 and speed above 1.9 gbps. Also when you see these 3 dots, try: disconnect Oculus, power off both PC and oculus and start up again. Sometimes you need to reconnect the Oculus cable on the fly to get rid of this problem. Most times I’ve seen this behavior was when I was switching between different Hz settings (72,80,90)

It renders a smaller area on your headset and thus increasing FPS performance. Usually you don’t see the black bars around the image until you hit 0.75 but each individual sees it differently. As with most settings in ODT, you need to put it before you start DCS. To get a feeling what it is just try an extreme figure first like 0.5 (it should look like a tunnel view)

 

45 minutes ago, Festom said:

Reduce the image size. With 0.85 you see the same, but dont lose gpu power generating things that you cant see.

 

0.85 its perfect for me. For example, with 0.7 , can see black if i look at the edges.

 

Sorry for my english

Very surprised (with only preliminary testing) but using .087, I was actually able to maintain 90fps on Enigma's Cold War server, even while in the area of a 3-4 plane dogfight, at high altitude and also screaming around on the deck. Now, there were only like 20 people online in the server at the time, and who knows what other factors would play into that, but honestly very surprising on the initial test. I'll have to try it on a few more MP servers and see if it stays consistent. Thanks for the suggestion! 

Edited June 3, 2023 by DirtyMike0330

[markturner1960]

Does this has to be done through the debug tool, or can you use the FOV multiplier on OTT? in that there are 2 boxes for entering numbers into though....so how does that work? Can you use either? 

[diego999]

1 hour ago, markturner1960 said:

Does this has to be done through the debug tool, or can you use the FOV multiplier on OTT? in that there are 2 boxes for entering numbers into though....so how does that work? Can you use either? 

You can set it on the Oculus Tray Tool. One is for the horizontal and the other one for the vertical if I'm not mistaken.

[markturner1960]

On investigation, the OTT setting is for the 2D monitor, so it needs to be set in ODT. I changed it from 0; 0   to 0; 0.85  ( I have no idea what the first zero and semi colon are? ) Is this correct? 

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by markturner1960

[DirtyMike0330]

1 hour ago, markturner1960 said:

On investigation, the OTT setting is for the 2D monitor, so it needs to be set in ODT. I changed it from 0; 0   to 0; 0.85  ( I have no idea what the first zero and semi colon are? ) Is this correct? 

 

 

I did the same number for both, assuming that is correct. It is "Horizontal; Vertical" (or the other way around, but you get the point lol)

[diego999]

5 hours ago, markturner1960 said:

On investigation, the OTT setting is for the 2D monitor, so it needs to be set in ODT. I changed it from 0; 0   to 0; 0.85  ( I have no idea what the first zero and semi colon are? ) Is this correct? 

 

 

Description is wrong. It totally affects VR. Try setting both values to 0.50 and you'll feel like you're looking through a shoe box 

0.0 is default afaik. With 0.85 you're rendering 85% of vertical/horizontal resolution (I don't know which is which, I set both numbers to the same value).

Set "visual hud" option in OTT to  "pixel density", so you can see how resolution changes as you modify the values.

Remember you cannot edit those numbers "on the fly". You need to set them before connecting the headset through link/airlink.

Edited June 4, 2023 by diego999
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[TZeer]

So basically you can change to 0.85, then increase resolution or do an override in the tool if you are already maxed? Get roughly same performance but better visual quality, or just better performance if you fancy that.

 

[diamond26]

25 minutes ago, TZeer said:

So basically you can change to 0.85, then increase resolution or do an override in the tool if you are already maxed? Get roughly same performance but better visual quality, or just better performance if you fancy that.

 

More or less yes. You can also check the OpenXR toolkit log where it shows at which resolution it renders. You can also play with upscaling getting even more performance