not planned MiG-25 (Foxbat) in DCS ?

[draconus]

2 minutes ago, Iron_Man said:

“even if we have a lack if info on it, what can we create with what’s available”

In fact, if you're at that stage of your development as a module for DCS, it's a hard no-go, try another time.

We all want more MiGs, devs too but you just refuse to understand how full fidelity DCS modules are made.

[Iron_Man]

1 час назад, draconus сказал:

In fact, if you're at that stage of your development as a module for DCS, it's a hard no-go, try another time.

We all want more MiGs, devs too but you just refuse to understand how full fidelity DCS modules are made.

I don’t refuse to understand. I refuse to give up contrary to the public opinion. I’m all for full fidelity, it requires passionate enthusiasts with a proper mindset. According to you, we should abandon this idea. I suggest we do not - let’s give it some time and efforts and see how far it gets. 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

1 hour ago, Iron_Man said:

I don’t refuse to understand. I refuse to give up contrary to the public opinion. I’m all for full fidelity, it requires passionate enthusiasts with a proper mindset. According to you, we should abandon this idea. I suggest we do not - let’s give it some time and efforts and see how far it gets. 

Do you not think we have? All we can do is establish there's a decent enough market for a particular airframe so that prospective 3rd part developers can take it into consideration. That's just opening the door, not even the first step. The first step would be finding not just adequate materials to work from, but also access to an example. I'm a big warbird guy IRL, but I'm completely unaware of any MiG-25s who are accessible to let us geeks crawl around all over as pictures are taken and scans made. I'd be very surprised if there aren't, I'm just not aware of any.

And then it just goes from there. I'm assuming we don't have any developers with the time or will that have ready access to such an example.

Edited September 28, 2023 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[Iron_Man]

1 час назад, MiG21bisFishbedL сказал:

Do you not think we have? All we can do is establish there's a decent enough market for a particular airframe so that prospective 3rd part developers can take it into consideration. That's just opening the door, not even the first step. The first step would be finding not just adequate materials to work from, but also access to an example. I'm a big warbird guy IRL, but I'm completely unaware of any MiG-25s who are accessible to let us geeks crawl around all over as pictures are taken and scans made. I'd be very surprised if there aren't, I'm just not aware of any.

And then it just goes from there. I'm assuming we don't have any developers with the time or will that have ready access to such an example.

 

There are two MiG-25 in Monino aviation museum in Moscow. I’m sure local museum volunteers will be willing to help if it comes to access to the jet for pics and measurements. 

There are some original manuals on maintenance and practical aerodynamics of the MiG-25 on the Ru internet. 

[Iron_Man]

This initiative requires a group of dedicated people. We are trying to find them. Big projects very often start small. You are welcome to join, otherwise, thank you for your constructive criticism.

There’s an old saying (well known in Russia), “those who want to do work-look for opportunities, those who don’t, "look for excuses”

Edited September 28, 2023 by Iron_Man

[Cab]

1 hour ago, Iron_Man said:

This initiative requires a group of dedicated people. We are trying to find them. Big projects very often start small. You are welcome to join, otherwise, thank you for your constructive criticism.

There’s an old saying (well known in Russia), “those who want to do work-look for opportunities, those who don’t, "look for excuses”

 

So you're trying to put together and dev team to create it? In that case, good luck to you and I will be a first day purchase! 

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, Iron_Man said:

This initiative requires a group of dedicated people. We are trying to find them. Big projects very often start small. You are welcome to join, otherwise, thank you for your constructive criticism.

There’s an old saying (well known in Russia), “those who want to do work-look for opportunities, those who don’t, "look for excuses”

 

I might need some practice but I can do some lau coding and I know a little bit of c but if you need some help let me know. 

[Iron_Man]

Только что, Cab сказал:

So you're trying to put together and dev team to create it? In that case, good luck to you and I will be a first day purchase! 

Thank you sir! Please vote

2 минуты назад, upyr1 сказал:

I might need some practice but I can do some lau coding and I know a little bit of c but if you need some help let me know. 

Thank you so much! I’ll definitely PM you about this. 

[Art-J]

You can always try to contact fl0w and see if anything from his and his buddies abandoned MiG-25RBT project could be reused.

 

[Iron_Man]

The strategy is, to unite all supporters of the MiG-25, see how everyone can contribute - from a vote to doing something specific, gather what’s available and find what is not classified, and in the meantime see what developer may be willing to pick up the project with its community and all data. If we get a solid mod - that’s great, a certified by ED module - even better, but bottom line, the community support should be visible and acknowledged. We are not asking the ED to make the module unless they will be willing to. 

3 минуты назад, Art-J сказал:

You can always try to contact fl0w and see if anything from his and his buddies abandoned MiG-25RBT project could be reused.

 

Thank you sir!

If Vapour Labs team resurrects - fantastic, if not - there are many talented coders and 3D designers. Let’s create some alternatives. 

[Cab]

28 minutes ago, Iron_Man said:

Thank you sir! Please vote

I'm confused. Vote for what, where?

[Iron_Man]

12 минут назад, Cab сказал:

I'm confused. Vote for what, where?

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

@Iron_Man I am down to help out. I’ve put in the work for the F-105. I’m sure I can help here. I wish I could model for you but I am a Tool Designer and I used CAD and ASYS. I do however have SolidWorks 22 with Flow Simulation at home. Maybe I can do Aero studies for you with .STEP files?

[Iron_Man]

Thank you very much sir! I’ll PM you soon with some ideas.

[SOLIDKREATE]

No worries Brother.

[Iron_Man]

 

[Iron_Man]

For those who speak Russian. I’ll translate key points of the interview soon. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Iron_Man

[Iron_Man]

Some good pics here from Monino aviation museum https://igor113.livejournal.com/1149483.html

[Logan54]

Very interesting chonic. 20:45-PD with 4 dual R-60 rails

spin test: 

Grim Reaper`s review: 

and some passes MiG-25+2xMiG-21  

 

 

[travissgrey]

I love the thing so much, but really good luck with it right now, for obvious reasons.

 

[Logan54]

Sorry for offtop, but I create short video with MiG-25 low speed maneurability 

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

I wish I could read Russian. Maybe some of you can?

 

https://www.aircraft-reports.com/search.php?search_query=mig-25&Search=

[Logan54]

 

[Logan54]

Foxbat friday  Btw interesting equipment

 

Edited June 21, 2024 by Logan54

[Logan54]

Nice radiocomms during start up and preflight check. Also like RSBN passing sound

Seems PD had flares:

And G limits: "Operational loading: - 4.5 G (MiG-25P) - - 5 G (MiG-25PD with a weight of up to 30,000 kg and a speed of up to 2.5 M, the extreme points of the wing deviate from the initial position by 70 cm) - 11.5 G (maximum permissible for the structure)"

 

ADDED source: МиГ-25П - FOXBAT-A, -С, -E | MilitaryRussia.Ru — отечественная военная техника (после 1945г.)

Edited August 17, 2024 by Logan54