Introducing Meta Quest 3

[diamond26]

1 hour ago, Vladdo said:

These are the options that I get in oculus PC desktop app.

very strange incosistency from Meta. I guess if you enable experimental options you will also see 120

 

Just checked Meta website (Europe) and this is the comparison chart between all three headsets. For wahtever reason 72hz and 80hz are not visible even in Q2!!!

nullSo I get from this that 72Hz is available in Q3 as is in Q2 and as we saw earlier in this discussion form the review @Vladdo posted

[dburne]

Mine is now out for delivery  on Amazon Prime. Showing to arrive between 1:00 PM and 4:00 PM EST.

[zildac]

Mine is now out for delivery  on Amazon Prime. Showing to arrive between 1:00 PM and 4:00 PM EST.

Be very interested on your opinion of it vs the Aero when all dialled in

[dburne]

8 minutes ago, zildac said:

Be very interested on your opinion of it vs the Aero when all dialled in

 

I am sorry let me clarify. I am sure I said this earlier but that was some pages ago. Of course it will not measure up to an Aero, probably not even close. They are two very different categories of VR devices and really do not compete with each other.

I will only be using my Quest 3 in mobile stand alone mode. I realize maybe most of you only will be using it for PC-VR. But I figure there are some that might also enjoy the mobile VR gaming with the headset, and that is why I will be sharing my experience in that department. There will be plenty in here sharing their views so should not be a shortage of that. Sorry if I disappoint but that is my firm plan for it.  I will not be installing any Meta software on this PC.

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7 hours ago, sze5003 said:

That sounds decent, almost like the G2 resolution all over which is basically what I wanted. Were you using the link cable?

I'm hoping someone can compare it to the quest pro. If it can stay locked at 72hz all the time the only difference might just be the colors and the FOV which is a bit bigger on the 3.

If you can run with stable 60FPS why don't you force AWS and run on 120Hz? Try like that will be nice and smooth with 60FPS.

 

[Hoirtel]

Had a chance to have a go now. I am so far a little underwelmed but enjoying it. Essentially it's a Q2 with a bump in clarity and comfort. Lenses are quite sharp, but honestly I didn't think the sweet spot of the Q2 was all that bad, and most importantly the degradation towards the edges was gradual. These lenses are better. I do notice a minor hue change at the very edges, not really a problem. Edge to edge clarity? Yeah... I suppose it is..

My current issue is compression (running on 4090). I can really see it and tried bitrates of 0 (auto) 200 and 450 (my q2 setting) on link cable. I also tried upto 200 and 200 fixed on airlink. Still there, and all looked the same. Either I haven't figured this out yet or meta hasn't implemented the proper controls yet... or my worst fear is that the new clarity shows it up more. I had a similar thing with the rift s to q2. The q2's loss of screendoor showed up some other problems. 

The lenses do have glare, but it's well improved. Night time is still dark gray but the visible lights in buildings/airfields etc look much much better, and aircraft lights in daytime much more natural looking. This is a nice update. 

Alasing about the same, I run 2x msaa. However I did add mfaa and change anisotropic filter to clamp in NVC and this actually made a difference. I will play around with supersampling, never did this on q2 but I feel there is a little more to get out of the Q3. I am running max Res in software. I think DCS is just alasing prone, I hope dlaa will replace all above tweaks. 

Passthrough looks a bit pants. I think a bit if standard YouTube over hype. 

Quick early impressions, not actually done full sortie yet, just run tracks and some cockpit hopping. 

 

[eFirehawk]

@Hoirtel : Have you ever tried a Reverb G2? If so, how does it compare?

[Hoirtel]

18 minutes ago, eFirehawk said:

@Hoirtel : Have you ever tried a Reverb G2? If so, how does it compare?

Yeah, I had one at launch and a G1 before that. I'm in the minority that didn't get on with them. My issue was the tiny sweet spot followed by the quite large image degradation immediately outside of the center. I opted for the Q2 at the time as it was softer in centre but more uniform across the lens. The Q3 is G2 sharp throughout. It's been a while since I wore a G2 but the colours are probably still better on G2. I also hated the wmr/steamvr bridge, I had it way before any openxr support. 

G2 is much more comfortable out if the box but then it has a proper strap. The Q3 feels similar nice and comfy around the face, and slimmer too. You will want a strap. 

Sound is improved from q2 but still low end. I will always use a headset as before. 

As I said my issue is compression but really not spend enough time tinkering. Not compressions issues on G2, but then no wireless either. If you ever do any standing VR game play, once you go wireless you cannot go back. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Hoirtel

[zildac]

 
I am sorry let me clarify. I am sure I said this earlier but that was some pages ago. Of course it will not measure up to an Aero, probably not even close. They are two very different categories of VR devices and really do not compete with each other.
I will only be using my Quest 3 in mobile stand alone mode. I realize maybe most of you only will be using it for PC-VR. But I figure there are some that might also enjoy the mobile VR gaming with the headset, and that is why I will be sharing my experience in that department. There will be plenty in here sharing their views so should not be a shortage of that. Sorry if I disappoint but that is my firm plan for it.  I will not be installing any Meta software on this PC.

Ah I see. Completely missed that

[eFirehawk]

13 minutes ago, Hoirtel said:

Yeah, I had one at launch and a G1 before that. I'm in the minority that didn't get on with them. My issue was the tiny sweet spot followed by the quite large image degradation immediately outside of the center. I opted for the Q2 at the time as it was softer in centre but more uniform across the lens. The Q3 is G2 sharp throughout. It's been a while since I wore a G2 but the colours are probably still better on G2. I also hated the wmr/steamvr bridge, I had it way before any openxr support. 

G2 is much more comfortable out if the box but then it has a proper strap. The Q3 feels similar nice and comfy around the face, and slimmer too. You will want a strap. 

Sound is improved from q2 but still low end. I will always use a headset as before. 

As I said my issue is compression but really not spend enough time tinkering. Not compressions issues on G2, but then no wireless either. If you ever do any standing VR game play, once you go wireless you cannot go back. 

 

Thanks, so all in all a decent improvement over the G2? As a G2 owner, I'm asking because I'm seriously considering getting a Crystal, but although I'm fine with the price tag assuming it's potentially THAT good ( apparently ), it's not on Amazon or any other shop with a good return policy, which is a must given the horror stories I read - don't wanna deal with China for support... So if the Quest 3 is 'better enough' than a G2 while being about 1/3 of the price of the Crystal, it could be an option. And how's the head tracking? My G2 sometimes jumps around and goes crazy for no reason, even with good lighting.

Edited October 10, 2023 by eFirehawk

[sze5003]

Thanks, so all in all a decent improvement over the G2? As a G2 owner, I'm asking because I'm seriously considering getting a Crystal, but although I'm fine with the price tag assuming it's potentially THAT good ( apparently ), it's not on Amazon or any other shop with a good return policy, which is a must given the horror stories I read - don't wanna deal with China for support... So if the Quest 3 is 'better enough' than a G2 while being about 1/3 of the price of the Crystal, it could be an option. And how's the head tracking? My G2 sometimes jumps around and goes crazy for no reason, even with good lighting.

I'm still leaning towards a quest pro coming from the G2. They have a crystal here in the states on Amazon but I don't trust I won't have any issues after the 30 days return policy. I definitely don't have the time to deal with their support over there. There are only 4 support folks in pimax currently according to their discord channel.

[Hoirtel]

15 minutes ago, eFirehawk said:

Thanks, so all in all a decent improvement over the G2? As a G2 owner, I'm asking because I'm seriously considering getting a Crystal, but although I'm fine with the price tag assuming it's potentially THAT good ( apparently ), it's not on Amazon or any other shop with a good return policy, which is a must given the horror stories I read - don't wanna deal with China for support... So if the Quest 3 is good enough while being about 1/3 of the price, could be an option. And how's the head tracking? My G2 sometimes jumps around and goes crazy for no reason, even with good lighting.

It's hard to advise properly. Headsets  are a bit subjective. Pancake lenses are much better than Fresnels. Fact. Q3 supports that. Screen Res is the same (ish), colours are probably not as good. They are quite different generations. I never mentioned tracking because I expect it will be the same as the Q2 which was rock solid. I also really like metas ASW, but some don't

7 minutes ago, sze5003 said:

15 minutes ago, eFirehawk said:

Thanks, so all in all a decent improvement over the G2? As a G2 owner, I'm asking because I'm seriously considering getting a Crystal, but although I'm fine with the price tag assuming it's potentially THAT good ( apparently ), it's not on Amazon or any other shop with a good return policy, which is a must given the horror stories I read - don't wanna deal with China for support... So if the Quest 3 is 'better enough' than a G2 while being about 1/3 of the price of the Crystal, it could be an option. And how's the head tracking? My G2 sometimes jumps around and goes crazy for no reason, even with good lighting.

I'm still leaning towards a quest pro coming from the G2. They have a crystal here in the states on Amazon but I don't trust I won't have any issues after the 30 days return policy. I definitely don't have the time to deal with their support over there. There are only 4 support folks in pimax currently according to their discord channel.

Only advantages will be local dimming and dfr, so depends if that's worth it to you. I'm glad I waited for Q3 but if you can get a pro cheap enough (and it does include a strap!) Then probably worth it. 

If you intend on using passthrough then I hear it's worse it the pro. No wonder it didn't sell for this feature. It's not great in q3

It's possible the 2nd generation  onboard chip in q3 will outweigh any pro advantages. Early days yet.

Edited October 10, 2023 by Hoirtel

[eFirehawk]

15 minutes ago, Hoirtel said:

It's hard to advise properly. Headsets  are a bit subjective. Pancake lenses are much better than Fresnels. Fact. Q3 supports that. Screen Res is the same (ish), colours are probably not as good. They are quite different generations. I never mentioned tracking because I expect it will be the same as the Q2 which was rock solid. I also really like metas ASW, but some don't

Only advantages will be local dimming and dfr, so depends if that's worth it to you. I'm glad I waited for Q3 but if you can get a pro cheap enough (and it does include a strap!) Then probably worth it. 

If you intend on using passthrough then I hear it's worse it the pro. No wonder it didn't sell for this feature. It's not great in q3

It's possible the 2nd generation  onboard chip in q3 will outweigh any pro advantages. Early days yet.

 

Thanks for your insight. Regarding your thoughts about the Quest Pro: Isn't the Quest Pro's resolution actually worse than the Quest 3 or am I missing something?

[Hoirtel]

2 minutes ago, eFirehawk said:

Thanks for your insight. Regarding your thoughts about the Quest Pro: Isn't the Quest Pro's resolution actually worse than the Quest 3 or am I missing something?

Yes it is a bit, and not having used one I can't say, but I can't see it would be a massive difference. I could be wrong, but I doubt reviews would have said it was that clear if it was much worse. 

[sze5003]

Only advantages will be local dimming and dfr, so depends if that's worth it to you. I'm glad I waited for Q3 but if you can get a pro cheap enough (and it does include a strap!) Then probably worth it. 
If you intend on using passthrough then I hear it's worse it the pro. No wonder it didn't sell for this feature. It's not great in q3
It's possible the 2nd generation  onboard chip in q3 will outweigh any pro advantages. Early days yet.

Apparently for DCS the colors and local dimming matters a lot, specifically for night flights. My main usage would be dcs and second usage would be regular VR games.

DFR is being preached around as if it's absolutely necessary for DCS so it's pretty important it seems. Still I'd rather have the better resolution of the Q3 but maybe the colors and dimming of the pro might feel like it's better.

[Hoirtel]

6 minutes ago, sze5003 said:

Apparently for DCS the colors and local dimming matters a lot, specifically for night flights. My main usage would be dcs and second usage would be regular VR games.

DFR is being preached around as if it's absolutely necessary for DCS so it's pretty important it seems. Still I'd rather have the better resolution of the Q3 but maybe the colors and dimming of the pro might feel like it's better.

Local dimming will.make a nice difference at night yes.

If you are suffering with low GPU power then DFR will be very helpful. I used fixed fr on q2 on and off. I can't say I noticed the lower rendered areas much, maybe I will now with pancakes. I like to record the mirror and so if I can run it off altogether then I do. 

Another point - Meta has a win with recording VR. I can start and stop the recording with my hands in DCS. Records in the headset and stabilised too. Very easy. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Hoirtel

[Gryzor]

How is Q3 in comparison with Pico 4? It´s worth the change?

[sze5003]

Local dimming will.make a nice difference at night yes.
If you are suffering with low GPU power then DFR will be very helpful. I used fixed fr on q2 on and off. I can't say I noticed the lower rendered areas much, maybe I will now with pancakes. I like to record the mirror and so if I can run it off altogether then I do. 
Another point - Meta has a win with recording VR. I can start and stop the recording with my hands in DCS. Records in the headset and stabilised too. Very easy. 

Thanks. I've got a 4090 and 13900k so I'm not low on GPU power but as long as the quest 3 can run DCS at smooth frame rate, and it sounds like 72hz would help here, then really DFR isn't needed.

Of course the nicer colors of the pro would be a benefit here but since I have not experienced what they look like at all, I guess I wouldn't know any better.

Do the colors seem at least more flavored compared to a G2?

[Qcumber]

Has anyone compared this with a Pico 4 yet? 

[fastfed]

Is it 30% better? lol I always said if my Quest 2 was 30% better overall in clarity, colors and such, I would be all about it.

 

 

[Dogmanbird]

Thanks for your updates Hoirtel,

I also see the slight hue and brightness change toward the edges on the q pro. I'd have thought it could be corrected by software since it's always the same region

On the quest pro, I can increase the vertical fov noticeably by tilting the headset downward (raising rear strap). This also seems to improve the sharpness across the lenses. Reversing the headset rear padding helps keep it tilted down a little. I wonder if the Q3 is similar with regards to tilting and fov? 

 

 

[Peedee]

9 hours ago, Hoirtel said:

Had a chance to have a go now. I am so far a little underwelmed but enjoying it. Essentially it's a Q2 with a bump in clarity and comfort. Lenses are quite sharp, but honestly I didn't think the sweet spot of the Q2 was all that bad, and most importantly the degradation towards the edges was gradual. These lenses are better. I do notice a minor hue change at the very edges, not really a problem. Edge to edge clarity? Yeah... I suppose it is..

My current issue is compression (running on 4090). I can really see it and tried bitrates of 0 (auto) 200 and 450 (my q2 setting) on link cable. I also tried upto 200 and 200 fixed on airlink. Still there, and all looked the same. Either I haven't figured this out yet or meta hasn't implemented the proper controls yet... or my worst fear is that the new clarity shows it up more. I had a similar thing with the rift s to q2. The q2's loss of screendoor showed up some other problems. 

The lenses do have glare, but it's well improved. Night time is still dark gray but the visible lights in buildings/airfields etc look much much better, and aircraft lights in daytime much more natural looking. This is a nice update. 

Alasing about the same, I run 2x msaa. However I did add mfaa and change anisotropic filter to clamp in NVC and this actually made a difference. I will play around with supersampling, never did this on q2 but I feel there is a little more to get out of the Q3. I am running max Res in software. I think DCS is just alasing prone, I hope dlaa will replace all above tweaks. 

Passthrough looks a bit pants. I think a bit if standard YouTube over hype. 

Quick early impressions, not actually done full sortie yet, just run tracks and some cockpit hopping. 

 

Strange… my Pico 4 is a big improvment over the Quest 2. I run it at 150 bitrate. But this is through Wifi Virtual Desktop and not Oculus app. I’ve always seemed to get better clarity through Virtual desktop.

[MilesD]

Just took a few different aircraft up for a spin. For me, the Quest3 is a huge improvement over the Quest2 in the cockpit. The outside view does not seem as impressive.

 

[Dogmanbird]

Id guess there's a generous amount of sharpening applied when connecting it via usb, as there is on the pro. Turning it off might help reduce the aliasing for distant objects / horizon etc

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Hi, for those that already have the Meta Quest 3, is it necessary to order a cable? I have a USB-C port in my motherboard (Asus X570-F) and at home I have Wifi 5, not Wifi 6. Thanks.