Lace Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Had a quick lunchtime fly, followed the cold start tutorial mission and took off. Anyway, clean jet, with pylons, FL280, MIL power, M1.03. Is this correct? Laptop Pilot. Alienware X17, i9 11980HK 5.0GHz, 16GB RTX 3080, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x2TB NVMe SSD. 2x TM Warthog, Hornet grip, Virpil CM2 & TPR pedals, Virpil collective, Cougar throttle, Viper ICP & MFDs, pit WIP (XBox360 when traveling). Quest 3S. Wishlist: Tornado, Jaguar, Buccaneer, F-117 and F-111.
falcon_120 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Had a quick lunchtime fly, followed the cold start tutorial mission and took off. Anyway, clean jet, with pylons, FL280, MIL power, M1.03. Is this correct?Clean jet?Have you check the bindings? I had to adjust the afterburner cutoff level cause I was actually in afterburner with the detent of my Virpil Cm3.Although M1.03 should be possible in a clean jet at angels 28 with those powerfuls PW229. Hornet and viper also supercruise when clean and medium fuel load.Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk
Lace Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, falcon_120 said: Clean jet? Have you check the bindings? I had to adjust the afterburner cutoff level cause I was actually in afterburner with the detent of my Virpil Cm3. Although M1.03 should be possible in a clean jet at angels 28 with those powerfuls PW229. Hornet and viper also supercruise when clean and medium fuel load. Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk Clean jet with pylons, 93% thrust, no AB. I could believe a fully-slick jet might be able to do it under certain conditions, but surprised it will with pylons on. Laptop Pilot. Alienware X17, i9 11980HK 5.0GHz, 16GB RTX 3080, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x2TB NVMe SSD. 2x TM Warthog, Hornet grip, Virpil CM2 & TPR pedals, Virpil collective, Cougar throttle, Viper ICP & MFDs, pit WIP (XBox360 when traveling). Quest 3S. Wishlist: Tornado, Jaguar, Buccaneer, F-117 and F-111.
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 The engines seem to be quite powerful, and drag lower than I expected. I was able to fly Mach 1.0 in mil as well. For comparison, the Hornet will do 1.01 with pylons and 1.1 clean, so as far as I understand any 4th gen fighter can break M 1.0 in military power. 1 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | Virpil CM3 throttle | Virpil CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings
Lace Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: The engines seem to be quite powerful, and drag lower than I expected. I was able to fly Mach 1.0 in mil as well. For comparison, the Hornet will do 1.01 with pylons and 1.1 clean, so as far as I understand any 4th gen fighter can break M 1.0 in military power. Breaking is one thing, sustaining another. I could have sat there in the cons all day at a steady M1.03. Edited June 23, 2023 by Lace 1 Laptop Pilot. Alienware X17, i9 11980HK 5.0GHz, 16GB RTX 3080, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x2TB NVMe SSD. 2x TM Warthog, Hornet grip, Virpil CM2 & TPR pedals, Virpil collective, Cougar throttle, Viper ICP & MFDs, pit WIP (XBox360 when traveling). Quest 3S. Wishlist: Tornado, Jaguar, Buccaneer, F-117 and F-111.
draconus Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 52 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: as far as I understand any 4th gen fighter can break M 1.0 in military power Most can with lower fuel state. 2 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Yurgon Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Lace said: Breaking is one thing, sustaining another. How so? When the engines manage to shove the jet beyond M 1.0 without afterburner, why would they then not be able to sustain it? Anyway, as far as I'm aware, supercruise is not unique to jets like the F-22 that get that feature advertised a lot. They can just do it with combat loads, whereas 4th gen jets may be able to supercruise with clean or pylons only configurations and with less than full fuel. Can the F-15E do that under the given circumstances? I don't know. But it sounds plausible to me. 1
Lace Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 It was said in response to Raven's statement that "any 4th gen fighter can break M 1.0 in military power". Of course they can, but not all can in level cruise. Cracking M1 in a dive at MIL power is very different, eventually you will reach denser air or denser ground. Or even accelerating through the barrier and then reducing to MIL, you are technically in supercruise at that point, but will be decelerating. All I was wondering was if it was a known ability of the Strike Eagle with pylons fitted to be able to do it. I imagine if so, then it would be plausible with CFT fitted AMRAMMs too. 1 Laptop Pilot. Alienware X17, i9 11980HK 5.0GHz, 16GB RTX 3080, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x2TB NVMe SSD. 2x TM Warthog, Hornet grip, Virpil CM2 & TPR pedals, Virpil collective, Cougar throttle, Viper ICP & MFDs, pit WIP (XBox360 when traveling). Quest 3S. Wishlist: Tornado, Jaguar, Buccaneer, F-117 and F-111.
Rainmaker Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Lace said: Had a quick lunchtime fly, followed the cold start tutorial mission and took off. Anyway, clean jet, with pylons, FL280, MIL power, M1.03. Is this correct? Yes, it is correct. That is also not considered super-cruise by most standards. 6
Lace Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Rainmaker said: Yes, it is correct. That is also not considered super-cruise by most standards. Thanks. Laptop Pilot. Alienware X17, i9 11980HK 5.0GHz, 16GB RTX 3080, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, 2x2TB NVMe SSD. 2x TM Warthog, Hornet grip, Virpil CM2 & TPR pedals, Virpil collective, Cougar throttle, Viper ICP & MFDs, pit WIP (XBox360 when traveling). Quest 3S. Wishlist: Tornado, Jaguar, Buccaneer, F-117 and F-111.
CH4Pz Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) I wonder if the Mach speed is out of calibration? as i was at angels 20, also mil cruise, and hud said M1.013 (or something like that), but when i went to fly by, i didnt get the sonic boom, and external view from the front i could still hear the engines. Also that was with stores, in the included mission where you need to find a business jet "stranded ship" Edited June 24, 2023 by CH4Pz
Jself Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) I did it with a load out... 8x GBU-12s, 3 bags, 10k lbs fuel total) no way it should do that. Level flight Ang 32, mil power. Engines or drag definitely need some work Edited June 24, 2023 by Jself
GGTharos Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) On 6/23/2023 at 9:50 AM, Yurgon said: Anyway, as far as I'm aware, supercruise is not unique to jets like the F-22 that get that feature advertised a lot. The F-22 sustains 1.7-1.8, that's 'supercruise'. Sustaining 1.03 while draining your fuel like crazy compared to say 0.85-0.95 isn't exactly some sort of accomplishment IMHO, just technically supercruise. Edited June 24, 2023 by GGTharos 3 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Hayrake YE-ZB Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 Agree, it’s more like high drag “transonic cruise”, eating fuel. Super cruise should be above transonic speeds, like more than 1.2, where drag decreases. What is the official definition of super cruise? 1
Rainmaker Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, Hayrake YE-ZB said: Agree, it’s more like high drag “transonic cruise”, eating fuel. Super cruise should be above transonic speeds, like more than 1.2, where drag decreases. What is the official definition of super cruise? Most definitions consider it to be 1.2 and above, or close to. 2
CH4Pz Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) I always thought it was over mach 1 without burners?! EDIT: It is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercruise Edited June 25, 2023 by CH4Pz
GGTharos Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) Literally yes, but 1.03 isn't of real value. It demonstrates that the engines have oomph, sure, but all you're doing is flying inefficiently. M1.2+ without burners is more of an accomplishment, and 1.5+ replaces flat-dash intercept regimes that were AB-only territory. The short of it that you can go further faster on the same tank of gas. If you want to go far though, you'll still be travelling subsonic in most cases (ie. the cases where you're not flying a Raptor, and even then I don't know what the efficiency looks like) Edited June 25, 2023 by GGTharos 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Guest Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 Wait till the Eurofighter is released that can supercruice at M1.5
falcon_120 Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 Wait till the Eurofighter is released that can supercruice at M1.5The most credible source I've heard is that supercruise in the Eurofighter is M1.2-1.3ish with a normal A2A loadout, which is 4MRM-2SRM, if that figure is with 2 bags I'm not sure.It is difficult to believe for me that M1.5 is other than a clean jet.Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk
SCPanda Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 6 120s, 2 9Ms, full internal fuel, no tanks. I found I was able to fly at M1.0 somewhere around 20-30k. Fuel is obviously not full since I had to takeoff, climb, and accelerate to that speed. So I am pretty sure you can supercruise with a clean jet.
Guest Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 On 6/25/2023 at 4:57 PM, falcon_120 said: The most credible source I've heard is that supercruise in the Eurofighter is M1.2-1.3ish with a normal A2A loadout, which is 4MRM-2SRM, if that figure is with 2 bags I'm not sure. It is difficult to believe for me that M1.5 is other than a clean jet. Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk We are talking about clean jets.
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