No REDFOR in most multiplayer servers

[Nyaruko]

 

2023/7/9 PM9点56分，Blackhawk NC说：

DCS is becoming a PVE game.

DCS is a sandbox game with multiplayer servers, Not war thunder. It's never a PvP focused game.

2024/2/20 AM6点11分，Gunfreak说：

With MiG29, MiG23, and probably Su22 on the way. You just won't get any Russian (and  probably not Chinese) modern aircraft. Or modern upgrade of older aircraft.

J-8 also on the way. Capability depends on its 90s version or 2000s, But as it upgraded from MiG-21, It should be at least stronger than the MiG-21.

 

2024/2/20 AM6点35分，Rudel_chw说：

 

That's fine for me, as I like Cold war aircraft much better than the modern flying computers, which are frankly kind of boring ... older aircraft like the Tomcat, the Viggen, and the MiG-21 are much more challenging and fun.

When I got used to flying computers then return to F-14 and viggen, My wings ripped.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

18 hours ago, Nyaruko said:

 

DCS is a sandbox game with multiplayer servers, Not war thunder. It's never a PvP focused game.

 

Now you've made that crowd mad!

[Fighterinterceptor]

On 7/10/2023 at 8:40 AM, FlankerFan35 said:

The only other possibly is Deka getting the missing info on the Su-30MKK or being allowed to do something like a J-10A once all 10As are retrofitted or a J-10B as there are only about 40 something in service. I highly doubt ED will do a FC3 style 27SM/J-11B however nice that would be and REDFOR countries like Russia/China are quite tight lipped. The more likely outcome is REDFOR getting pushed out of gen 4 and us flying more in Cold War scenarios. Will get far worse when F-15E comes fully online and Eurofighter arrives.

 

The Su-27SM uses RVV-AE and R-27ER missile, there is no RVV-SD missile, it would bring new functions to DCS World only because of its air-to-ground weapons and it would not be better in air combat than the J-11A in its current state! The air-ground guided weapons of the J-11B were not used, if you want it to be Su-27SM level, the J-11B is at the level of the Su-27SM3, but in reality the air-to-ground weapons were not used! The J-11B is the second version of the J-11A MLU where the J-11B uses the same airframe as the Su 27SK but uses better radar and PL-8 and PL-12 and PL-15 missiles. If you bring the PL-15 missile into the game room, NATO should get an AIM-120D missile! The Su-27SM3, on the other hand, uses the RVV SD missile, but unfortunately we won't get Su-27SM or Su-27SM3 even at FC3 level within 10-20 years! The real solution would be for Deka to mount the PL-12 missile on the J-11A, which is a missile between the AIM-120B and the AIM 120C5. Better than AIM-120B but worse than AIM 120C5!

Only Deka and ED are preventing DCS World from becoming more attractive and attracting more new Flanker fans to the game and calling back veteran Flanker pilots who left the game because of this problem! Adding the PL-12 missile to the J-11A takes about 10 minutes of work at most, or less!

Link: J-11 Variants

"Whether it is Su-27SK, J-11A or J-11B, it is mainly based on air superiority, similar to the F15A and C series of the United States. These planes only have very limited surface strike capabilities, mainly throwing iron bombs and launching uncontrolled rockets. They cannot use precision-guided munitions and can only perform low-intensity surface strike missions. The Su-27 series has a large range and an excellent pylon arrangement, which is naturally suitable for performing opposite strike missions."

Edited March 4, 2024 by Fighterinterceptor

[Tom P]

Don't worry it will only be 5 years till we see something. 

[FlankerFan35]

5 hours ago, Tom P said:

Don't worry it will only be 5 years till we see something. 

I think u meant 25 lol

[draconus]

On 3/4/2024 at 8:07 AM, Fighterinterceptor said:

Only Deka and ED are preventing DCS World from becoming more attractive and attracting more new Flanker fans to the game...

Preventing?! They're the ones who gave you DCS World and ability to fly Su-27S, Su-33 and J-11A in the first place.

[BIGNEWY]

On 3/4/2024 at 7:07 AM, Fighterinterceptor said:

Only Deka and ED are preventing DCS World from becoming more attractive and attracting more new Flanker fans to the game and calling back veteran Flanker pilots who left the game because of this problem! Adding the PL-12 missile to the J-11A takes about 10 minutes of work at most, or less!

We have no plans to add the PL-12 to the J-11A, it would not be correct for the version in DCS. You will need to accept that. 

 

[Fighterinterceptor]

10 perccel ezelőtt Draconus azt mondta:

Megelőzni?! Ők azok, akik először is megadták neked a DCS World-et és a Szu-27S, Szu-33 és J-11A repülési képességet.

If you didn't know, I was talking about the PL-12 missile when I wrote this, not the J-11A. But let's not go into what the J-11A can do, because the real J-11A has a stronger radar in reality than what is simulated here in DCS World!

[draconus]

1 minute ago, Fighterinterceptor said:

But let's not go into what the J-11A can do, because the real J-11A has a stronger radar in reality than what is simulated here in DCS World!

Then go into proper subforum and report a bug. You'll be probably asked for some proof of your words though.

[Silver_Dragon]

If you didn't know, I was talking about the PL-12 missile when I wrote this, not the J-11A. But let's not go into what the J-11A can do, because the real J-11A has a stronger radar in reality than what is simulated here in DCS World!

Dekka has actualy not plans to modify de J-11A and has centred on J-8PP. Remember the J-11A has a FC-3 Style with simplified aviónica, no a Full fidelity module.

Enviado desde mi CPH2197 mediante Tapatalk

[draconus]

2 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Remember the J-11A has a FC-3 Style with simplified aviónica, no a Full fidelity module.

Radar detection range is not ignored just because of FC3 SSM.

[Fighterinterceptor]

Six years ago, every J-11A enthusiast learned that the original J-11A is equipped with the N001VE radar. The problem arises from the fact that the F-15C radar in DCS World appears weaker than in reality, which immediately calls for enhancement to increase its detection and tracking range. When it comes to Russian products, they seem to be depicted as weaker, or perhaps they shouldn't even be included in DCS World. It seems like everything in this simulator caters to NATO enthusiasts, leaving us Flanker enthusiasts feeling marginalized. Additionally, the radar systems of the FC3 MiG-29A and the MiG-29S differ significantly in reality. However, in DCS World, both radars detect an F-16 with only a ±5 km difference at a height of 1750 meters above water, where there shouldn't be any interference affecting the radar.

In reality, the MiG-29S radar has a 20 km greater detection range than the MiG-29A! I'm sorry, but these issues bother me because since 2009, since the release of Lock On, Flaming Cliffs 2, and Flaming Cliffs 3, I have been flying with the Flanker, and I can see that more and more features are being taken away from the FC3 product line. The R-27ER and R-27ET missiles are also examples of this. In 2020, they had a greater maximum range! It's difficult to stay silent and watch as everything that fights against NATO aircraft is weakened! 6 years have passed since 2018, and it's as unlikely for the J-11A to have a stronger radar as it is for the F-15C. We don't need new modes introduced. The same situation applies to the MiG-29A and the MiG-29S, the MiG-29S has a 20 km greater detection range than the MiG-29A. Nobody is asking for immediate corrections based on top secret military documents, we just want to see that this difference exists in the game. Because this is how it should be credible because here in DCS World, simulation is being promoted!

I don't understand why every problem requires submitting a ticket or creating a replay, this should be fixed by the developers because it has been faulty for years! Ensuring the popularity of the FC3 product brings more money to ED! It also secures the future because while I may be brave enough to write this, others may simply leave DCS World and play elsewhere. I too left DCS World for 2 years because they weakened the R-27 missile family in 2020! You can see in the two images what it was like in 2020, now, in 2024, it's 100 km!

The answer is that you don't have to play this game, we are here because we like what ED gives us! Criticism is good because it makes everything better. If you close your eyes, nothing will change!

 

These are pictures taken in 2020! Now, if I sweat blood, I can't go more than 100 km to a MiG-31 target flying at 3000 km/h head on!

 

Regarding the MiG-29S radar!

N019M Topaz is an updated version, developed as a response to the compromise of the N-019 radar by a US spy. Tested from 1986, it entered limited production in 1991. Slightly lighter than the N-019 at 350kg. Topaz has increased ECM resistance, new software, and a more advanced built-in monitoring system. A new Ts101M computer eliminates the processor overload problems of the N019, more than doubling capacity to 400,000 operations per second whilst weighing less, just 19kg, and with doubled MTBF of 1000h compared to the 500h of the Ts100. N019M allows two targets to be engaged by active radar homing missiles simultaneously. Range increased slightly to 80km. Originally intended to be fitted to the existing MiG-29 fleet as an upgrade, about 22 aircraft with N019M are thought to have entered service with the VVS.

 

It is likely that this is the Export version that is in DCS World because it is a WEAKENED version compared to the original N019M Topaz!

N019ME Topaz Export version of Topaz, slightly downgraded. All Indian MiG-29s have been upgraded to this standard.

 

These things should be clarified!

Edited March 9, 2024 by Fighterinterceptor

[draconus]

53 minutes ago, Fighterinterceptor said:

I'm sorry, but these issues bother me because since 2009, since the release of Lock On, Flaming Cliffs 2, and Flaming Cliffs 3, I have been flying with the Flanker, and I can see that more and more features are being taken away from the FC3 product line.

That's your problem. You compare to older, lower fidelity simulations. What you call nerfing was in fact corretions for better simulation, closer to RL.

Constructive criticism is good but changes are not made based on users' opinions. Only docs and reliable available info count.

[Fighterinterceptor]

32 minutes ago, draconus said:

That's your problem. You compare to older, lower fidelity simulations. What you call nerfing was in fact corretions for better simulation, closer to RL.

Constructive criticism is good but changes are not made based on users' opinions. Only docs and reliable available info count.

The FC series is based on fantasy, if you start to include real documents about what the original can do, it usually means that you have to delete all the things that made it playable from the FC3 product!

Sit in the MiG 29S and play without Datalink on an online server. MiG 29 was playable with that datalink, we could say a long time ago that this datalink is better than Lazur, so we enjoy it, we love it and that's what made it good. Now that the Datalink was taken from him, the entire MiG-29 family was completely killed. You have to accept that you pay to suffer. Then when the fully clickable MiG-29 cockpit comes, spend 60 dollars to get back what was taken! It might be a good deal for ED, but not for us.

You may have been here on this forum for a while, so everything is new to you, but unfortunately, not all veteran users are as brave as I am to ask questions on this forum.

 

https://youtu.be/k0s59b6YXf4?si=yWHXRHH99YyC4YoP

You can see what the MiG-29 was like when it was still playable with datalink! Since then, this has been taken away and you fly blindly into the face of the enemy, who is free to do whatever he wants with you if you cannot detect him with the radar! The datalink served to prevent you from being completely blind!

 

In this video, even the size of the HUD was fine, nowadays if you lock a target with the radar you have to put your head in the HUD to see the target in the hoop on the HUD!

Edited March 9, 2024 by Fighterinterceptor

[Fighterinterceptor]

I did everything I could! The developers will decide on this, it took 15 years for the existence of the R-27EP rocket to be recognized! As things change, I still play! I drew attention to these things, how the value of REDFOR decreases! They could do something about it, but they don't want to! Maybe in 5 years we will have faulty rocket motors in DCS World because they will also simulate that it can fail! It is also necessary that all Soviet engines fail all the time so that NATO fans can play more comfortably!

I will be the victim who sacrifices himself so that things will go in a better direction! I respect all ED developers and I'm grateful to be here and to have created the best simulator in the world!

I don't comment on the forum anymore because I think it's unfair that we Flanker fans are ignored!

Goodbye, good future to all Flanker fans!

 

Postscript: Don't hate me because I criticize everything! The DCS World community is not only made up of NATO fans!

[FlankerFan35]

13 hours ago, Fighterinterceptor said:

I did everything I could! The developers will decide on this, it took 15 years for the existence of the R-27EP rocket to be recognized! As things change, I still play! I drew attention to these things, how the value of REDFOR decreases! They could do something about it, but they don't want to! Maybe in 5 years we will have faulty rocket motors in DCS World because they will also simulate that it can fail! It is also necessary that all Soviet engines fail all the time so that NATO fans can play more comfortably!

I will be the victim who sacrifices himself so that things will go in a better direction! I respect all ED developers and I'm grateful to be here and to have created the best simulator in the world!

I don't comment on the forum anymore because I think it's unfair that we Flanker fans are ignored!

Goodbye, good future to all Flanker fans!

 

Postscript: Don't hate me because I criticize everything! The DCS World community is not only made up of NATO fans!

There is more info and legal ability around NATO stuff so they will always have best modeling and more FF modules. On top of that most people think anything nonwestern is trash despite only putting rookie AI 29A with only R-60s in their missions so don't expect much.

Just suffer in silence, use mods, only play pre 1980 or play less and less like the rest of us Redfor guys.

It will never change.

Edited March 9, 2024 by FlankerFan35

[Evoman]

16 hours ago, Fighterinterceptor said:

 Then when the fully clickable MiG-29 cockpit comes, spend 60 dollars to get back what was taken!

 

I can understand the resentment. But at least now you can look forward to a FF MiG-29A that will continue to be updated and refined just like the rest of the FF modules. So you will defiantly get your moneys worth for years to come.