C-101 vs L-39

[Hiob]

Oh ffs.....

you guys made me buy another module (....that I won't have time for to fly)..... 

[Beirut]

30 minutes ago, Bananabrai said:

You choose the C-101 to be se*ier than the L-39?

 

No, just different. 

 

30 minutes ago, Bananabrai said:

After I re-bought the Kamov now and enjoy the Hind so much, I need to fly the L-39 every now and then.

 

Variety is the spice of flightsims.

[Daemoc]

I have both and like both.
A very simple boiled down version of my experience would be the L-39 is a little more nimble and the C-101 is a little more stable. Both have very little combat utility outside of light strike. (Maybe recon or FAC-A if the mission allows? The loiter time of a C-101 is quite impressive.)

Both are fun to fly though IMO. The only real negative I would place on the L-39 is the training missions being in Russian. As a non-native speaker it makes learning the aircraft that much harder trying to observe/manipulate the aircraft and read subtitles at the same time.

Edit: I almost forgot, the negative I would give the C-101 is the Garrett/Honeywell TFE731 Growl. I get that is a real thing, but the noise it makes in the cockpit makes me want to poke out my eardrums. I replaced the growl sound file with one of the AV8B fan noises and it sounds similar without making my ears bleed. Just something to keep in mind.

My vote would be get both though.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Daemoc

[Bremspropeller]

7 hours ago, Hiob said:

Oh ffs.....

you guys made me buy another module (....that I won't have time for to fly)..... 

Which one did you get?

[MAXsenna]

Which one did you get?

Yes, do tell!

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[Rudel_chw]

7 hours ago, Daemoc said:

Edit: I almost forgot, the negative I would give the C-101 is the Garrett/Honeywell TFE731 Growl. I get that is a real thing, but the noise it makes in the cockpit makes me want to poke out my eardrums. I replaced the growl sound file with one of the AV8B fan noises and it sounds similar without making my ears bleed. Just something to keep in mind.

please, can you give more detail on how to do this fix? I’m another user that dislikes the c-101 engine noise, even if it is realistic 

[Daemoc]

14 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

please, can you give more detail on how to do this fix? I’m another user that dislikes the c-101 engine noise, even if it is realistic 

The sound file I ended up using was this one pictured here in the attachment.

Just copy the AV8B sound file shown to your C101 sound directory and rename it "TFE731_growl.wav". You can rename the original growl sound to something like Growl_O so you can undo it later if you wish.

[Raisuli]

On 9/3/2023 at 4:26 AM, Beirut said:

 We have the C-101 - the blonde, the L-39 - the brunette, and the MB-339 - the redhead.

 

If asked which one you would like to have, the proper response, of course, is: "yes please". 

At my age?  That would probably be fatal.

I'm going to get my controls set up and find out...there are worse ways to go!

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Mission Report:

The OP was blonde or brunette, and I have to say the blonde, but that might be because I rarely fly soviet...aircraft. 

I've probably been in the MiG-21 a little, I flew the MiG-19 a bit when it first came out, but I have several hundred hours to one in western style aircraft and had the most difficult time with the L39.  I'm sure some practice would iron that out, but there were also some really strange graphics issues with it that were extremely distracting.  Nothing in the F2 view so I suspect a problem elsewhere.

The Blonde is a little underpowered, even for a blonde, and the differential breaking took a little practice, but it was a lot of fun to fly.  Once you get her up to speed, and that takes a gentle touch, she'll get you where you're going.  Landing was a breeze and she tracked right down the centerline.

As a bonus I took the redhead up as well.  I have a thing for redheads anyway, and in fact I'm married to an ex-soviet redhead.  In some ways the blonde was more fun, but that fiery redhead gets going a lot quicker and the steerable nosegear gets her going in the right direction right away.  A little bit more dancing on the landing; anti-skid was on but the brakes put her into a skid anyway.  That could easily be operator error.

Since I already have all three I don't need to choose, but I'd need more time to pick between the blonde and the redhead.  The brunette will probably be relegated into the hanger with the other 'soviet' style aircraft and might not get much time in the air.

To answer the original question, C-101 for me.  Might be the western bias, but it got the most time doing laps around Tel Nof.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Raisuli

[Hiob]

13 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Which one did you get?

C-101 

The others are already in the hangar... 

But if it wasn't for the sale and the 339 still not ready for service, I would've contained myself...But here we are... 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Hiob
typo

[Bremspropeller]

3 hours ago, Hiob said:

But if it wasn't for the sale and the 339 still nor ready for service, I would've contained myself...But here we are... 

All resistance is futile. We're all addicts. Realization of our problems is the first step onto the path towards healing...

 

So when are we going to take the 101 for a spin? And when are you going to get the L-39?

[MAXsenna]

All resistance is futile. We're all addicts. Realization of our problems is the first step onto the path towards healing...
 
So when are we going to take the 101 for a spin? And when are you going to get the L-39?

This is the way...

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[Hiob]

12 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

So when are we going to take the 101 for a spin? And when are you going to get the L-39?

I already own it a long time. The C101 was the last trainer I was missing. 

How about tonight?

12 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

All resistance is futile. We're all addicts. Realization of our problems is the first step onto the path towards healing...

...and running out of modules to buy does also help... 

And nobody and no amount of desperation will make me buy the Christen Eagle. 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Hiob

[Rudel_chw]

8 minutes ago, Hiob said:

And nobody and no amount of desperation will make me buy the Christen Eagle. 

I purchased it mostly to support the development of the F4U Corsair, and also because I felt somewhat guilty of having purchased the mig-21 on a 50% x-mas sale on 2014, and using it for years with no further expense.

[Hiob]

10 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

I purchased it mostly to support the development of the F4U Corsair, and also because I felt somewhat guilty of having purchased the mig-21 on a 50% x-mas sale on 2014, and using it for years with no further expense.

That's valid. I will happily spend my money on the F4U at the earliest possible time - the Christen Eagle isn't my cup of tea though....

[Raisuli]

36 minutes ago, Hiob said:

That's valid. I will happily spend my money on the F4U at the earliest possible time - the Christen Eagle isn't my cup of tea though....

It's a surprisingly fun distraction.  Did really tight figure 8s around the pyramids with it, then landed and got the heck out of Egypt before they could track me down.  It lacks a little polish here and there, but...dang.  The only thing that will out turn it is a hovering helicopter.  Even the I-16 is a sled in comparison

[Hiob]

9 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

It's a surprisingly fun distraction.  Did really tight figure 8s around the pyramids with it, then landed and got the heck out of Egypt before they could track me down.  It lacks a little polish here and there, but...dang.  The only thing that will out turn it is a hovering helicopter.  Even the I-16 is a sled in comparison

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread. Best we stop the discussion about the Christen Eagle here now. Thank you!

[Bremspropeller]

8 hours ago, Hiob said:

How about tonight?

 

What's your verdict then?

[Hiob]

23 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

What's your verdict then?

Feels nice. Very capable for recreational flying. Especially in such a nice ambience! 

[Rudel_chw]

Agree, and it is so simple to use that I can fly on it whenever I want, without having to re-study it, unlike more complex jets:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hiob]

@Rudel_chw Do you know what the the „F“ in the controls overlay stands for?

[Rudel_chw]

15 minutes ago, Hiob said:

@Rudel_chw Do you know what the the „F“ in the controls overlay stands for?

 

Hi, actually, no, I don't know what that "F" indicates ... it is not Flaps, nor the Airbrake ... checked the manuals, Chuck's Guide and my own notes, but couldnt find anything ....  I will ping @Vibora as hopefully he can tell us what it stands for.

[MAXsenna]

@Rudel_chw Do you know what the the „F“ in the controls overlay stands for?

Fire? Just kidding. Don't go full throttle all the time, or you will catch fire.

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[Hiob]

Just now, Rudel_chw said:

 

Hi, actually, no, I don't know what that "F" indicates ... it is not Flaps, nor the Airbrake ... checked the manuals, Chuck's Guide and my own notes, but couldnt find anything ....  I will ping @Vibora as hopefully he can tell us what it stands for.

Okay, cool. Thanks for checking.

Just now, MAXsenna said:

Fire? Just kidding. Don't go full throttle all the time, or you will catch fire.

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[MAXsenna]

3 minutes ago, Hiob said:

 

I actually burned through a lot of engines before I bothered to read the manual.

Good thing it's easy to land pretty much anywhere, so I saved the aircraft. 

[Hiob]

3 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

I actually burned through a lot of engines before I bothered to read the manual.

Good thing it's easy to land pretty much anywhere, so I saved the aircraft. 

I had a two ship flight with an instructor. So ITT was in check!