Full Fidelity Su-25T

[Nialfb]

I love flying my Su-25T! It's the plane I was first introduced to in DCS and I go back to it time and time again. I'm sure many other people are the same as me. I have the MOD that makes some of the cockpit clickable but I would really like a full fidelity Su-25T. I'm sure it would be a great seller, I know I'd buy it. We are getting all of these new planes for DCS and I have a few full fidelity aircraft, but there is nothing full fidelity on the red team. I love low level, whites of their eyes, missions so I fly the Viggen, the Ka-50 III, the Mi-24, the A-10 Tank Buster of course and I just coughed up for the Phantom, but it would be great to have an updated Frogfoot, or similar axis ground attack aircraft.

Anyone else agree?

Edited October 31, 2023 by Nialfb

[SkateZilla]

They Don't Exist anymore, and there's no chance in this universe or alternate versions within .5 temporal variance % to get the manuals legally without being sent to a very bad place. 3 Prototypes and 8 LRIP were built, they've since been converted to other variants since 1990.

Edited October 31, 2023 by SkateZilla

[Jascha]

Full fidelity Su-25 would be nice though.

[Mike_Romeo]

On 10/31/2023 at 9:29 PM, Nialfb said:

but there is nothing full fidelity on the red team.

Sad I-16, MiG-15, MiG-21, Mi-8, Mi-24 and KA-50 noise.

 

On 10/31/2023 at 9:29 PM, Nialfb said:

or similar axis ground attack aircraft.

Su-22 is in development for DCS. Should be the closest thing to the Su-25

[Nialfb]

I saw the Polish Air Force Su-22 at the Fairford RIAT this year.

Regarding full fidelity, yes, I have all of the aircraft listed by Mike_Romeo as well as the Mig-19. Of course there are full fidelity aircraft on the red side but, apart from the Hind and the Black Shark, there isn't a dedicated ground attack airplane. I love the A-10C II and the both the Hind and Ka-50 III for the low, slow, sneaky ground target busting.It would be nice to have a similar aircraft as the A-10 on the red side so that pretty much leaves the Su-25T. What's the chance ED can get their hands on a the Su-25 SM3 version? 

 

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[Ramius007]

Hopefully one day DCS get to a point where most advanced Russian plane you can fly is not Su-25T, sadly it's not a joke, even old Su 24 would be upgrade to what redfor have to offer in A2G

[Nialfb]

I think the problem is that the Russians are not known for giving out the plans for their aircraft, let alone letting a man with a camera crawl all over them! At least there's a chance of finding a nearly intact Su-25 SM3 in a field in Ukraine! Besides, I don't hanker for a more technically advanced plane, or necessarily modern plane. I want something low and slow. I am not into all of that BVR thing! Shooting at a dot on a radar seems a bit pointless - we were doing that in the 90's with sims like F-16.

[Nialfb]

By the way, I'm not having a pop at ED, it's just my wish list.

When I started in computers I have Amstrad word processors with a green screens and no WYSIWYG. I went through 8086, 282, 386, 386 DX. 486, 486 DX and the then Pentiums came out! Everything ran on DOS at least before the 486s. It took a week to get a scanner to work after you had spent days editing the Autoexec.bat file!

When I started flying flight simulators it was a blocky thing with wings the sort of juddered across the screen. It wasn't until the 486 and early Pentiums that you could buy a flight simulator that flew relatively smoothly across a very low resolution screnery and we thought that was out of this world. People who complain nowadays that a tree is a bit blurry don't know they are born - So, ED, you blow my freeking mind! Low fidelity or high fidelity, this flight sim, along with the likes of MS Flight Simulator, X-Planes etc, are absolutely out of this world! Thanks guys ... BUT a full fidelity Su-25T would be sort of nice

[draconus]

14 hours ago, Nialfb said:

Shooting at a dot on a radar seems a bit pointless - we were doing that in the 90's with sims like F-16.

So we were ground pounding since 80s, what's your point?

On 11/3/2023 at 8:29 PM, Nialfb said:

What's the chance ED can get their hands on a the Su-25 SM3 version? 

Here's the chance:

 

 

 

[Nialfb]

Hi draconus. I'm not going to continue this conversation as it was merely me expressing wish list when it comes to DCS World, it was not meant to become confrontational. I'm not sure that flight simulators were specifically aimed at the ground pounding market in the 80's, but I stand to be corrected, and I am also fully aware that there is no chance of ED creating a full fidelity Su-27T, mores the pity.

[draconus]

7 minutes ago, Nialfb said:

I'm not sure that flight simulators were specifically aimed at the ground pounding market in the 80's, but I stand to be corrected...

I'm just saying they were for both A2A (Fighter pilot 83) and A2G (Gunship 86).

[MAXsenna]

On 11/5/2023 at 4:21 PM, Nialfb said:

it was not meant to become confrontational.

You were not.  

Anyone who cares to guess how many times this has been wished since the summer?

[upyr1]

Join the club. 

[Kobymaru]

I don't care too much about Su-25T, because that was a rare version that did not get rolled out much.

What I would love much more is a full fidelity Su-25A! The Mi-24 is beautifully and lovingly modeled as if they actually cared. I really want something like that for Su-25a. They even have a piece already, the ASP-17 Gunsight is already modeled in the HIND!

Plus, the added advantage is that many countries other than Russia have used this model, so there's a lot of access to documentation and museum pieces and even flying pieces. Analogue to how the US government "allows" models of older aircraft, there could be a chance that Russia might consider this too old to be relevant. I mean similar situation to the HIND, no? Both Hind and Su25 have more modern versions that are still in service.

Of course I am aware that this is still wishful thinking given the current political situation and EDs unclear relationship with russian authorities. But a man can dream.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Kobymaru

[Dr_Pavelheer]

Variant of the same gunsight was also used in Su-17/22, which in later versions was able to carry some of the weapons Su-25T does including TV-guided and anti-radiation missiles.

And, as a bonus, it hasn't been in Russian service in many years which means significantly reduced risk of defenestration

[mastershotgun]

I agree that all deserve full fidelity, including Su-25 and Su-25T. I would pay 60 dollars for that!

[Nialfb]

Mastershot, yep, I'd pay the money

[Nialfb]

For anyone interested in Flaming Cliffs aircraft, a new discord has been set up by a guy called Deiced. The aim of the site is to get a few like minded people together to fly low key missions on a non formal and friendly basis. If you make a dodgy radio call nobody is going to give you a hard stare! The discord site is called DCS Ground Attack and you can join here ...

https://discord.gg/jNZDFdEQ

 

[Vampyre]

Never really been a fan of the Su-25T, specifically because it was only really a prototype. I would rather have a MiG-27K instead as it was a production machine and used similar TV/Laser targeting technology. I also wouldn't mind seeing a bog standard Su-25... I wouldn't purchase it but there are plenty of other people out there that would enjoy it.