F-5 Update Due to Addition of F-4?

[SouthDakotaJones]

Do any of you know if the F-5 will receive an update due to the addition of the F-4? It seems to me that these two aircraft will be fun together given they are from the same era. It would be a shame to have the F-5 to continue to be subpar when flying with or against the F-4.

[_BringTheReign_]

21 hours ago, SouthDakotaJones said:

Do any of you know if the F-5 will receive an update

I asked this on November 27th during a livestream:

Question
"With all the love for COLD WAR aircraft, what can Wags tell us about the F-5E Tiger II update?"

Answer
"I'm not sure what specific update he is talking about. Yeah, the art is definitely showing its age a bit, and there's certainly some bugs to fix. In particular the radar and the RWR still have some issues. But in terms of major updates, not exactly sure what he's referring to."

Question 
"Follow up for Wags on the F-5E - in January he said "big changes are already underway, but it's a bit too early to discuss. We look forward to sharing our F-5E plans later in the year. So?"

Answer
"Ah okay so I know what he's talking about now. So, there is some... 'stuff' we're working on the F-5, we just can't really talk about it right now in any kind of detail."

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At minimum we are expecting improvements to the art and continued bugfixes for the radar and RWR. Happy to see the RWR issues being acknowledged at a high level. 

As for the additional "stuff" he mentioned, and what "big changes already underway" means, we genuinely have no idea. 

If I can speculate, the recent AI model debacle in which ED advertised high detail AI models and released low detail AI models makes me think that we will be seeing something like a "High Detail Asset Pack" or high detail assets as their own module, etc, in which old modules like the F-5E will also see art improvements. 

I have no opinion either way - I'm just hoping for more information on the improvements. 

[RustBelt]

No, “at minimum” expect nothing. As has been proven repeatably by past performance.

[Bucic]

10 hours ago, RustBelt said:

No, “at minimum” expect nothing. As has been proven repeatably by past performance.

If the state of the module isn't enough of a motivation then a mere presence of another module won't be either. Sorry for party pooping again.

[RustBelt]

I mean, at some point “End Of Life” needs to be talked about. It’s not realistic to keep pretending every module will be maintained and supported forever. Modules will sundown at some point. Or rather, it needs to be acknowledged this is already happening intentionally or not.

Edited December 28, 2023 by RustBelt

[goofball]

This module seems pretty popular even today, and at least fixing the bugs would extend its life for those who own it, would sell some more as a solid product and a simple and capable platform, and would give ED more appreciation and faith in their upcoming projects. IMHO I think it would be worth it.

[RustBelt]

A 1996 Supra Twin Turbo is still “Popular” today. Doesn’t mean Toyota is still spending resources updating them for 2024. At some point limited resources can’t go everywhere. 

[MAXsenna]

A 1996 Supra Twin Turbo is still “Popular” today. Doesn’t mean Toyota is still spending resources updating them for 2024. At some point limited resources can’t go everywhere. 

You can tinker all you want with a Supra without any support from Toyota. Kinda hard with DCS modules. Find a better analogy!

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[=475FG= Dawger]

21 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

You can tinker all you want with a Supra without any support from Toyota. Kinda hard with DCS modules. Find a better analogy!

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Yea, I can get aftermarket parts to make the wings on my Supra stay on. 

[Sideburns]

23 hours ago, RustBelt said:

I mean, at some point “End Of Life” needs to be talked about. It’s not realistic to keep pretending every module will be maintained and supported forever. Modules will sundown at some point. Or rather, it needs to be acknowledged this is already happening intentionally or not.

 

It's fair to talk of modules going into "maintenance only" mode, but I would expect outstanding faults/bugs/inaccuracies to be fixed (the F5 has a few) and promised features to be delivered / complete (speaking generally here for all modules).

[average_pilot]

Analogies between software and physical goods are always bad ones.

I have my own concerns about how ED will resolve the exponential increase of resources needed as the number of modules pile up, though.

On the one hand I can agree that modules may have a finite life cycle, but on the other hand, to keep upgrading old modules is to some extent like releasing modules that cost a tiny fraction to produce that brand new ones and keep content abundant and varied.

Edited December 29, 2023 by average_pilot
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[RustBelt]

10 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

You can tinker all you want with a Supra without any support from Toyota. Kinda hard with DCS modules. Find a better analogy!

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I mean, that's a whole other argument they don't allow here.

[MAXsenna]

Yea, I can get aftermarket parts to make the wings on my Supra stay on. 

Duct tape? Oh, well. In this day and age we can even print new ones at home.

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[Bucic]

2 hours ago, average_pilot said:

Analogies between software and physical goods are always bad ones.

I have my own concerns about how ED will resolve the exponential increase of resources needed as the number of modules pile up, though.

On the one hand I can agree that modules may have a finite life cycle, but on the other hand, to keep upgrading old modules is to some extent like releasing modules that cost a tiny fraction to produce that brand new ones and keep content abundant and varied.

 

Call me a broken record but going into not 1 but 3 inherent resource sinkholes (18, 16, !64!) concurrently practically guaranteed problems for other modules in the long run.

[=475FG= Dawger]

6 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Duct tape? Oh, well. In this day and age we can even print new ones at home.

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Naw, no handyman's secret weapon required. You can get a full blown aftermarket wing assembly for your Supra guaranteed to withstand 10 times the published G limits. 

 

https://www.a90shop.com/product-page/apr-performance-gtc-300-67-adjustable-wing

[Oates76]

So looking at 0:48 of the 2024 and beyond video released today, that looks like an updated F-5 pilot and cockpit, but I could be wrong. 

[some1]

That's F4.

[VZ_342]

[Bucic]

Yep, F-4. This much paint would have exceeded the F-5E's maximum takeoff weight.

[ST0RM]

On 12/27/2023 at 7:13 PM, RustBelt said:

I mean, at some point “End Of Life” needs to be talked about. It’s not realistic to keep pretending every module will be maintained and supported forever. Modules will sundown at some point. Or rather, it needs to be acknowledged this is already happening intentionally or not.

 

This is something I agree with, as much as I don't like it as it would affect 3 modules I use the most. 

[lmp]

I think it's a real possibility that we won't see major updates to this module (sadly), but OTOH the older Ka-50 and A-10C got their updates. Something similar might be possible. Refresh the old F-5, sell a new version with, say, Maverick support and/or INS to recoup some of the costs. I don't expect to see that, but I'd buy it in a heartbeat.