reported Mission timings and darkness

[Hawkeye_UK]

On 2/3/2024 at 9:58 PM, sjebens said:

Reflected, this is my last effort to try to make the mission playable and help others in my situation.

If I fixed the file would you either include it in the campaign files as an option, or allow me to share it with others?

Having got this campaign tonight and also playing in VR, note i didnt crank the gamma up, this all rather sounds like a skill issue, for me i flew on instruments, nearly had a mid air on forming up through the cloads, all very authentic.  

Why should a content creator who prides himself on recreating accurate missions make it easy for those that are struggling?  It's like the same one's who don't like to air to air refuel generally or critise speed and angels for being too hard etc and disagree with grading...

My suggestion is practice alot more.

Rarely comment on SP campaigns but yea @Reflected keep up the good work pal - i actually just buy your campaings now one in support but 2 knowing they are going to be excellent - not to mention the rediculous attention to detail and in the knowledge that when ED screw up the game and campaign with an update (or Urga re parking slots as i read the issues first) you will work your arse off to sort, noting the time of the thread im guessing you did nothing else over christmas but reslot P51 slots, the reality is most players have no concept what goes into the mission editior to make these.  Hoping your bring out a P47 campaign next for the same time frame for Overload and Normandy in June 44.

Thank you for what appears another best in class campaign, looking forward to carrying on with it tomorrow!

PS for those that fly VR, if you can upgrade to the Crystal i came from a G2 (given they are being bricked) and all i can say is wow, its insane!

 

[Sydy]

Hi guys,

It is very interesting how people see things differently. I saw the post about the G3 user problem and in the end I have to agree with the post above, from @Hawkeye_UK. To me it sounds like a proficiency issue or a very bad setup. I am not stating that this is THE issue, It only looks to me like it is…

I am almost finishing this campaign and all missions I made on the first try. Missions 1 and 3 are very difficult for sure, but not impossible.

I can vouch for this Campaign and how it brings me back some memories about RL flying. I’ve never flew a Mustang, but I fly something very similar to it (among other planes). I’d say that night flying, specially using WWII technology is not for the weak and killed more people than the enemy. Vertigo is a real b.tch…

I use a Varjo Aero as VR, but I just added to my notes never to recommend a G3…

Anyway, life goes on!

Reflected, keep it up your good products and be sure that I will buy any campaign that you put on the market.

All the best,

Sydy 

Edited February 20, 2024 by Sydy

[PawlaczGMD]

To throw in my 2 cents on this... Using Pimax Crystal at max gamma, I have almost no visibility. The DCS night lighting simply doesn't work well. I managed to complete the mission, so it's not really a skill issue, but only thanks to dot labels. However, it was pretty frustrating, as the comms and targets to spot are not in accordance with visibility. They spot a train from 2-3 miles? No way. I could see it from maybe 200 meters if I zoomed in, only the very front of the locomotive because if the light, and could only know the general direction thanks to labels. Airport calls out visibility 10 miles? A cruel joke. I could only see maybe 50 meters in front of me thanks to the landing light. The airport itself has zero lighting, and the flares they fire don't really illuminate anything.

You can technically fly blind on instruments, but if the visibility was like this in real life, this mission would be pointless to fly, as it would be absolutely impossible to spot any ground or air targets. I get that it was dark in real life, but this level of visibility is not really credulous to me.

I don't blame Reflected for this, as he's obviously recreating real events in this campaign, which is great. If it happened at night then that's it. But DCS night lighting is obviously flawed, and makes these missions frustrating.

You can get away with this in modern setting with NVG and sensors, but not really in WWII. 

[Reflected]

38 minutes ago, PawlaczGMD said:

To throw in my 2 cents on this... Using Pimax Crystal at max gamma, I have almost no visibility. The DCS night lighting simply doesn't work well. I managed to complete the mission, so it's not really a skill issue, but only thanks to dot labels. However, it was pretty frustrating, as the comms and targets to spot are not in accordance with visibility. They spot a train from 2-3 miles? No way. I could see it from maybe 200 meters if I zoomed in, only the very front of the locomotive because if the light, and could only know the general direction thanks to labels. Airport calls out visibility 10 miles? A cruel joke. I could only see maybe 50 meters in front of me thanks to the landing light. The airport itself has zero lighting, and the flares they fire don't really illuminate anything.

You can technically fly blind on instruments, but if the visibility was like this in real life, this mission would be pointless to fly, as it would be absolutely impossible to spot any ground or air targets. I get that it was dark in real life, but this level of visibility is not really credulous to me.

I don't blame Reflected for this, as he's obviously recreating real events in this campaign, which is great. If it happened at night then that's it. But DCS night lighting is obviously flawed, and makes these missions frustrating.

You can get away with this in modern setting with NVG and sensors, but not really in WWII. 

I keep forwarding your feedback to ED, that's all I can do. Fingers crossed...

[PawlaczGMD]

18 minutes ago, Reflected said:

I keep forwarding your feedback to ED, that's all I can do. Fingers crossed...

Yep, I hope that the announced raytracing will change how lighting works. Although I can't imagine anyone having spare performance to run RT in VR, but that's another matter, I hope I'm wrong about that. 

[Hawkeye_UK]

On 2/3/2024 at 9:40 AM, Reflected said:

In the meantime here’s an enlightening (no pun intended) reading for everyone:

“In a break with normal operations, a red flare spluttered from the control tower high into the dark and wet. At once, the 486th’s P-51s huffed and barked and spun themselves to life in a gratifying staccato growl that soon steadied to a comforting thrum. A few minutes later the squadron’s aircraft began their awkward, waddling taxi to the takeoff funnel. All pretense of order came apart in the dark and some flights failed to assemble while tagalongs joined others; few of them made it to their proper place in line. Fahrenwald found himself at the head of the entire mess as part of a three-ship. According to the brief, they were supposed to take off in four-ship formations:

By the darting flames of their engine exhausts I could make out the dim identifying letters painted on the fuselage of each ship. So Pappy Gignac and McKibben and I were together, and we three were hogging the slot reserved for the Colonel’s flight. That, however, was tough titty, because it was too late now to monkey around trying to get organized. We ran up our engines and it was time to go, and I didn’t want to push that throttle at all. My instruments glowered greenly at me like the winking, blinking, luminous eyes of a whole pack of pussycats racked up in a blacked-out bookcase.

But they did go. With their throttles pushed up, the pilots of the first three Mustangs felt their aircraft bump along the muddy grass on a northeasterly heading as they picked up speed. Gignac’s mount hit something slippery that spit him off to the side. Fahrenwald, on McKibben’s wing, jockeyed his throttle to stay in position until the two of them finally lifted off. They both drew a collective breath as they raised their landing gear and put precious altitude between themselves and the ground. Behind them Martin Corcoran swung his four-ship into takeoff position.4 A string of lights intended as a takeoff aid had been torn away, presumably by Gignac, Fahrenwald or McKibben. Without the lights, and failing to check his compass, Corcoran aligned the flight too far to the right. Not noting the mistake, he advanced his throttle and started his takeoff roll. To his right, Donald “Red” Whinnem rolled with him as did Robert Frascotti who was next in line to the right. Carleton “Bud” Fuhrman was on Frascotti’s right wing. Unknown to any of them, Charles Griffiths had mistakenly tacked onto Fuhrman’s right wing and was also taking off. Corcoran’s four-ship was actually a five-ship. Meanwhile, Fahrenwald tucked himself tightly to McKibben’s wing, anxious not to get separated in the murk. “We banked into an easy turn to port,” Fahrenwald recalled, “and I glanced back to the field and all of a damned sudden a horrible, billowing explosion half-blinded me, and I knew automatically what it was: a Mustang, a maximum load of high-octane and one of the boys, all gone to glory in a puff of flame.” Below Fahrenwald and McKibben, every man on the ground gaped horror-stricken into the brilliant pyre. Robert Frascotti was dead. On the errant heading, Corcoran’s flight hurtled at high speed to the edge of the airfield where a new control tower was under construction. Corcoran and Whinnem passed to the left of it as they lifted airborne. Fuhrman passed it to the right. Further right, one of Griffith’s wheels struck a pole on a nearby volleyball court but he was unhurt. Frascotti, in the center of the flight, smashed into the tower with a blinding yellow-white blast.“

no gamma slider, no refly button. 

Yea Brutal.  The greatest generation no question, a time before woke people didn't exist.

[sjebens]

On 7/28/2024 at 7:24 PM, Hawkeye_UK said:

Yea Brutal.  The greatest generation no question, a time before woke people didn't exist.

Uhh, you might want to think your logic through a little more…

[Blackhawk163]

On 1/2/2025 at 3:23 PM, sjebens said:

Uhh, you might want to think your logic through a little more…

Ah yes woke. That magical catch all word that when truly pressed can't be clearly defined.

 

You said it a lot nicer than I was going to. 

 

Anyway, I'm going to send ED my complaint about the lighting issue, but I seriously doubt it will get much traction. If one of their top campaign contributors can't move the needle after a year, I doubt I will be able. But you got to try

 

So how about it @BIGNEWY any news on this?

[NineLine]

On 1/3/2025 at 2:46 PM, Blackhawk163 said:

Ah yes woke. That magical catch all word that when truly pressed can't be clearly defined.

 

You said it a lot nicer than I was going to. 

 

Anyway, I'm going to send ED my complaint about the lighting issue, but I seriously doubt it will get much traction. If one of their top campaign contributors can't move the needle after a year, I doubt I will be able. But you got to try

 

So how about it @BIGNEWY any news on this?

It is not a simple issue to fix or else it would have been already, its reported and we are hoping a solution can be found with all the changes ongoing with the core. Thanks.