ACME_WIdgets Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 VKB stick that zeroes out exactly 32, 768 when let go of, and F16, Su33, P51 all work fine. But F-18 , with even load side to side, randomly starts slow roll to 1 side. I check FCS and aileron and rudder are zero'd. I put in 1 click opposite aileron trim, but that is too much and now it roll s in that direction. MP mostly. 5600x, EVGA 3070 FTW, B550 Tomahawk, M.2 Samsung, 32GB CL16, AIO 240mm VKB Gladiator Pro, Freetracker IR 3d printed, TM MkII HOTAS circa 1985 w/USB Asus 27" 2560x1440 60fps (so constrain DCS to 60fps) F-16, F-18 2021 = First year on DCS: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Check you haven't got any other axis bound to roll ... SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob10 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 If you want to try and adjust how much trim changes with each press you could try the suggestions in this thread: I have no idea if it will work in the F-18 the way you want, and it will FAIL INTEGRITY CHECK for MP and will need to be redone whenever there's an update. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Also, check fuel flow or thrust in each motor. Even a tiny difference will pull to one side over time or make you bank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wroblowaty Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 By even load do you also mean stations 4 and 6 (cheek stations)? If you have targeting pod on one and missile on the other it will be enough to make small unbalance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Lord Vader Posted January 9 ED Team Share Posted January 9 Hey @ACME_WIdgets We need some more information about this. You say your joystick "zeroes" at 32. Is that a center point? If so, do you have a deadzone for that range? Do you have any other axis for aileron controls? Are you carrying a TPOD? Someone mentioned asymetric thrust, are your throttle axis synced for both engines? All these questions and some others are answered with a short track demonstrating the issue for our analysis. Thanks for understanding. Esquadra 701 - DCS Portugal - Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor18 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) On 1/7/2024 at 4:47 AM, ACME_WIdgets said: VKB stick that zeroes out exactly 32, 768 when let go of, and F16, Su33, P51 all work fine. But F-18 , with even load side to side, randomly starts slow roll to 1 side. I check FCS and aileron and rudder are zero'd. I put in 1 click opposite aileron trim, but that is too much and now it roll s in that direction. MP mostly. Go into Options/Controls menu, select Axis commands, and look up the roll axis. Move your stick a bit then let it go. If DCS feels your stick is really centered, you should not see any small white line going out from the middle in either direction on the axis, after you released the stick to center itself. Edited January 9 by Razor18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACME_WIdgets Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 On 1/8/2024 at 5:25 AM, Wroblowaty said: By even load do you also mean stations 4 and 6 (cheek stations)? If you have targeting pod on one and missile on the other it will be enough to make small unbalance. Yes, "even load" being same on both wings, i.e. AA (nothing on cheeks), and maybe single tank on the bottom. 5600x, EVGA 3070 FTW, B550 Tomahawk, M.2 Samsung, 32GB CL16, AIO 240mm VKB Gladiator Pro, Freetracker IR 3d printed, TM MkII HOTAS circa 1985 w/USB Asus 27" 2560x1440 60fps (so constrain DCS to 60fps) F-16, F-18 2021 = First year on DCS: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACME_WIdgets Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 (edited) On 1/9/2024 at 2:58 AM, Lord Vader said: Hey @ACME_WIdgets We need some more information about this. You say your joystick "zeroes" at 32. Is that a center point? If so, do you have a deadzone for that range? Do you have any other axis for aileron controls? Are you carrying a TPOD? Someone mentioned asymetric thrust, are your throttle axis synced for both engines? All these questions and some others are answered with a short track demonstrating the issue for our analysis. Thanks for understanding. After more testing, problem appears when LITENING pod is on BELLY station/centerline in MP on 4YA Syria map. Center tank, or empty belly station works fine. TRK file attached. Deadzone of 1. No other axis or key bindings to aileron or rudder No TPOD on a cheek. Thrust % is same, temp is only 2C difference Thanks for the help !!! @Lord Vader 4YA_Syr_PVE2_V2.34[04_MAY_OVC_RAIN]-20240111-180743.trk Edited January 14 by ACME_WIdgets 5600x, EVGA 3070 FTW, B550 Tomahawk, M.2 Samsung, 32GB CL16, AIO 240mm VKB Gladiator Pro, Freetracker IR 3d printed, TM MkII HOTAS circa 1985 w/USB Asus 27" 2560x1440 60fps (so constrain DCS to 60fps) F-16, F-18 2021 = First year on DCS: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACME_WIdgets Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 Confirmed, working on it, added to the list? Thx @Lord Vader 5600x, EVGA 3070 FTW, B550 Tomahawk, M.2 Samsung, 32GB CL16, AIO 240mm VKB Gladiator Pro, Freetracker IR 3d printed, TM MkII HOTAS circa 1985 w/USB Asus 27" 2560x1440 60fps (so constrain DCS to 60fps) F-16, F-18 2021 = First year on DCS: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Lord Vader Posted January 19 ED Team Share Posted January 19 Hi, @ACME_WIdgets You can observe the status of this item in the title of this thread. Thanks for your patience. We're investigating this. Edit: Also, that track you shared can't be replayed due to scripting. 1 Esquadra 701 - DCS Portugal - Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Lord Vader Posted January 22 ED Team Share Posted January 22 Hi @ACME_WIdgets After some tests, we are really unable to reproduce this item, including carrying the TPOD on the center pylon as you described, slick or loaded. I am lead to believe there could be a conflict of axis or even an issue with your joystick calibration. Or, perhaps, there is an issue with that mission you were flying in. Again, I am unable to replay that track due to scripting. Please try to fly a clean mission in single player, no scripting, just the conditions you set up and your joystick. If the problem persists, please confirm it with a track and we'll have another look, just to check if it's a local issue. I would also try to open up the deadzone on the Aileron and Elevator axis a bit just to check this isn't a dead zone problem. Thanks for your cooperation. 1 Esquadra 701 - DCS Portugal - Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACME_WIdgets Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 Drove me crazy, but I can reproduce it in SP. But you need to fire off AG weapons first. F-18 w/ 2 HARMs on 2 and 8, plus 2x each station JSOW on 3 and 7, AIM120C and 9x in remaining usual spots. Litening pod on 5 center/belly station. Flies straigt and level as is. Shoot the Harms first, then JSOWs, now you have slow roll tendancy, Aileron trim is too coarse and 1 click will cause opposite roll. Sorry, for some reason SP tracks are not being saved.. @Lord Vader 5600x, EVGA 3070 FTW, B550 Tomahawk, M.2 Samsung, 32GB CL16, AIO 240mm VKB Gladiator Pro, Freetracker IR 3d printed, TM MkII HOTAS circa 1985 w/USB Asus 27" 2560x1440 60fps (so constrain DCS to 60fps) F-16, F-18 2021 = First year on DCS: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 24 ED Team Share Posted January 24 Hi, I have tested also using my virpil stick and I am not seeing any issue with the trim in roll. check for double inputs on roll axis in all devices, test the device, look for un-commanded inputs also Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Lord Vader Posted January 24 ED Team Share Posted January 24 @ACME_WIdgets Without looking at what your doing and watch axis information when that issue you describe does happen, while we can't really reproduce it ourselves, it's hard for us to provide any resolution. In a single player mission, when you exit it, you need to save that track manually in the debriefing window. Esquadra 701 - DCS Portugal - Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACME_WIdgets Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 On 1/24/2024 at 1:48 AM, Lord Vader said: @ACME_WIdgets Without looking at what your doing and watch axis information when that issue you describe does happen, while we can't really reproduce it ourselves, it's hard for us to provide any resolution. In a single player mission, when you exit it, you need to save that track manually in the debriefing window. Problem solved: Somehow my VKB Gladiator Pro left analog/digital HAT switch was outputting BOTH digital up/dn/lft/rt and analog (at the same time) when set to analog hat for TDC. I have the digital outputs to trim the aircraft - so after using TDC with a targeting pod or Mav my trims where not centered... You switch from analog to digital by center depressing the HAT. Sorry to bother you all on this. No idea how I got this setup screwed up. Went back to old VKB profile and it works fine. 5600x, EVGA 3070 FTW, B550 Tomahawk, M.2 Samsung, 32GB CL16, AIO 240mm VKB Gladiator Pro, Freetracker IR 3d printed, TM MkII HOTAS circa 1985 w/USB Asus 27" 2560x1440 60fps (so constrain DCS to 60fps) F-16, F-18 2021 = First year on DCS: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBStu Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Cool, glad you got it fixed. We can all learn a bit from your situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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