What did I think of Kiowa? It needs to improve in some areas!

[Digitalvole]

6 hours ago, Slippa said:

Just grab it Mr Vole, you know you wanna 

Mate, I owe you a beer. I did as you suggested (I’m not easily led, honest) and I’m very glad I did! Thanks mate

I’ve only tooled around for an hour or so with out any bindings, but can already tell this is gonna be a lot of fun. If the Apache makes you feel like you’re (trying to) fly a tank, this is like being a cheeky little chappy out to cause some mischief. Cracking stuff.

The performance in VR isn’t as great as I was hoping but better than the AH64 at least and who knows, may get better in time. Does anyone have any good book recommendations? I’m on my 6th re-read of chicken hawk and could do with some good helicopter book suggestions.

[Digitalvole]

17 minutes ago, jww123 said:

who knows, perhaps even in the future, release an AH-6/MH-6 module with "theoretical" avionics and weapons systems (because the AH-6 and MH-6 are still in active service with the 160th SOAR, using classified equipment).

God I’d love a “killer egg” module, that and typhoon or tempest mkV.

edit. Not sure how that ended up 2 posts

Edited June 10, 2024 by Digitalvole

[Slippa]

16 minutes ago, Digitalvole said:

Mate, I owe you a beer. I did as you suggested (I’m not easily led, honest) and I’m very glad I did! Thanks mate

 

No worries. Just needed a gentle nudge . Glad you're pleased with it .

I'm trying to bind buttons but keep swapping them out. I've got a Warthog HOTAS, an Xbox controller, keyboard, mouse, pedals and I'm threatening to try the stuff for the ipad but it's getting a bit OTT over here. Loads of bits to learn on this for me. Jets and Helis I have I've learnt to cold start, fly a bit and land-ish but haven't learnt the systems. Plenty on here to keep me busy.

My poor Spit and Mossie aint had a look-in lately, it's been the Loach, F-4 and this. Love that Loach too.

[dresoccer4]

3 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

There isn’t. It is a shimmer from the swithes that is in no way ruining the experience. I really hate the tendency some few loud ones in the community and their hostile approach in special after the Razbam vs ED dispute. Childish people buying a module and after two minutes calls it a robbery. 

 

ugh mate the only "childish" and "hostile" and "loud" person here in this thread is you. constantly name calling and being derogatory towards other customers, post after post after post. please just take a break from commenting, everyone will thank you. 

[kdfw]

this kw is a fantastic model.  flies well, system details are good, and vr performance is same as others.   

one thing that bothered me: the cockpit textures had too much shine for flat black surfaces, looked like the surfaces had glazed coating on them like a wet candy, which is probably more pronounced in vr.  and the chrome airbag valves 'glowing' in the shade just took away from the realism.

i reworked many of the textures and roughmet files to clean up the shine and inconsistencies in color and it looks good.  pilot skin textures also need to be de-saturated as they looked awfully pink...

love the fade in/out cyclic trim and ai implementation.

Edited June 10, 2024 by kdfw

[LuseKofte]

4 hours ago, ThorBrasil said:

 

 

I will let this man go. He has in fact made missions for it. In other words contributed. More than I has. 
I dl his missions and they are good 

He might have a point about the poly’s, but in my opinion they are of less importance. Because the things that counts are there and are simulated very well. 
I always forget that, we all are enthusiastic and devoted simmers. I think he want to improve this module. And I know a lot of modules that really can do with an updated texture. And I love those to death also. 
He just does it in a way that confuse people not to buy it. After spending all my available time on this chopper. I can say it is worth its money. But right now you are dependant at your own mission making skills and some you can down load. And I can recommend ThorBrasils missions. 

3 hours ago, Braunn said:

I don't get why t f you guys are so triggered for. Honestly. Just scroll past and quit tagging people just because you are triggered by something. I will buy it when I feel like buying it. How about that. 

 

Like you did now, I was just curious why you enter a topic with no interest for you and contribute to this negativity based on no knowledge what so ever

Edited June 10, 2024 by LuseKofte

[ThorBrasil]

15 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

I will let this man go. He has in fact made missions for it. In other words contributed. More than I has. 
I dl his missions and they are good 

He might have a point about the poly’s, but in my opinion they are of less importance. Because the things that counts are there and are simulated very well. 
I always forget that, we all are enthusiastic and devoted simmers. I think he want to improve this module. And I know a lot of modules that really can do with an updated texture. And I love those to death also. 
He just does it in a way that confuse people not to buy it. After spending all my available time on this chopper. I can say it is worth its money. But right now you are dependant at your own mission making skills and some you can down load. And I can recommend ThorBrasils missions. 

Like you did now, I was just curious why you enter a topic with no interest for you and contribute to this negativity based on no knowledge what so ever

 

I don't want Kiowa to stop selling, but I want Polychop to stop deceiving its customers. I hope that in the future Kiowa will receive some love in 3D and textures. I want it to sell a lot.

This is the mission he refers to and I hope everyone likes it. I wish the best for DCS and third parties and that's why I always buy the modules whenever possible, but I hate being deceived. Producers have to be honest with their customers and only then would these topics not be created because the person accepted the terms at the time of purchase.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3338408/

 

[Retnek]

21 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said:

I don't want Kiowa to stop selling, but I want Polychop to stop deceiving its customers. ...

"deceiving" because of 3D-cosmetics and textures? Your "critics" lack arguments. Polychop, just go on, please. If the functions and procedures of the Kiowa have been completed, polished and updated twice, you might consider some face-lifting, too.

Edited June 10, 2024 by Retnek

[freehand]

Deceiving ? in what way. 

[Digitalvole]

2 hours ago, Slippa said:

No worries. Just needed a gentle nudge . Glad you're pleased with it .

It was all I needed, so thanks for giving it. I’ve found myself drawn to the choppers of late but I usually end my sessions with me in my Mk IX vs 2 K4s over my home town of Brighton. Then landing at Friston, just to keep my eye in. Can’t be beat.

4 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

You're not losing out on much by waiting, to be fair. Keep it in mind, watch for sales, etc.

It's a lot of fun.

I couldn’t wait, and you’re absolutely right, it is a lot of fun!

[ThorBrasil]

1 hour ago, Retnek said:

"deceiving" because of 3D-cosmetics and textures? Your "critics" lack arguments. Polychop, just go on, please. If the functions and procedures of the Kiowa have been completed, polished and updated twice, you might consider some face-lifting, too.

 

 

1 hour ago, freehand said:

Deceiving ? in what way. 

 

Full price for...
1 - Poorly detailed 3D model.
2 - Low resolution textures.
3 - Sounds, I don't even need to comment, but everyone already knows the condition and Polychop has promised to fix it.
4 - Systems, according to the manual there are many unimplemented features, but I prefer not to comment because it could be a limitation of the DCS engine.
5 - Lack of animation on the ammunition belt when firing the .50. The ammunition is static and does not travel through the ammunition belt.
6 - FM, I prefer not to comment because I don't have the knowledge to do this, but from what I've seen pilots commenting. The Kiowa can't take off with 4xHellfires and 100% fuel and in the DCS this is possible. You can even hover. Maybe it's a bug.
7 - Many bugs, but this is expected for any computer system.

With all these problems, Kiowa should be released in early access and not charge an absurd amount of 70 dollars as a "complete" module that looks more like a module from 10 years ago in DCS World.

[Gunfreak]

5 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said:

 

 

6 - FM, I prefer not to comment because I don't have the knowledge to do this, but from what I've seen pilots commenting. The Kiowa can't take off with 4xHellfires and 100% fuel and in the DCS this is possible. You can even hover. Maybe it's a bug.
 

Have they specified, in what conditions or always? Afghanistan is not a great helicopter country.  So if their main experience is in Afghanistan. That might not be valid at sea level.

[freehand]

1 hour ago, ThorBrasil said:

 

 

Full price for...
1 - Poorly detailed 3D model.
2 - Low resolution textures.
3 - Sounds, I don't even need to comment, but everyone already knows the condition and Polychop has promised to fix it.
4 - Systems, according to the manual there are many unimplemented features, but I prefer not to comment because it could be a limitation of the DCS engine.
5 - Lack of animation on the ammunition belt when firing the .50. The ammunition is static and does not travel through the ammunition belt.
6 - FM, I prefer not to comment because I don't have the knowledge to do this, but from what I've seen pilots commenting. The Kiowa can't take off with 4xHellfires and 100% fuel and in the DCS this is possible. You can even hover. Maybe it's a bug.
7 - Many bugs, but this is expected for any computer system.

With all these problems, Kiowa should be released in early access and not charge an absurd amount of 70 dollars as a "complete" module that looks more like a module from 10 years ago in DCS World.

I see, you had a refund then or is that not possible for you ?

Edited June 10, 2024 by freehand

[ThorBrasil]

7 minutes ago, freehand said:

I see, you had a refund then or is that not possible for you ?

 

I don't want a refund because I like Kiowa, but I would love a future update that would bring Kiowa up to par with recent modules. I don't think that will happen and I would really like to be wrong and see Polychop correct everything I've said here.

[todd022]

This is the most toxic thread... 

[ThorBrasil]

5 minutes ago, todd022 said:

This is the most toxic thread... 

The problem with the world is that people want to hide the truth. There is only one truth and we can never run away from it. You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. People can't argue back and come up with ready-made words...

"They're crybabies" or "Everyone is toxic" and many other ready-made phrases.

[Gizzy]

Just got the Kiowa.... I have bought all of the helos on original release (I have been around too long) and Kiowa is great in all respects for the price.  PC are a small concern and IMHO  did well to weather the S*******m of the initial Gazelle FM, fix that and produce the Kiowa..... Sven's baby.  As Nick of ED said they cannot financially produce a new model without an early release cash injection to finalise the model so Sven and polychop I congratulate you,  Sure, things may need tidied some but that's expected, but overall a great release lads, thanks.... and yes The Gazelle is a joy now to fly....

Discussion, disagreement, opinion sensibly engaged are all healthy and good.... Currently the sad thing about ED forums and other Discords is the number of juveniles spewing nonsense anomalously from their keyboards... many create new accounts just for this purpose... sure look at Razbam's threads, many should not have been let out of baby care unsupervised... 

[freehand]

I just looked at prickly hedgehogs vid he said it looks amazing such a difference in opinions very strange. 

[Digitalvole]

Just incase anyone is interested, had another go in the Kiowa when I got back in this evening. This time I turned off turbo mode in oxrtk so I could look at my cpu and gpu frame times.

Taking off from the same spot and flying the same route, the gpu & cpu frame times for the Kiowa and Apache were almost the same, with the Kiowa slightly lower by 1 - 0.5 ms  (though the cpu seemed more busy at times than the Apache.) 

This was surprising to a simpleton such as myself with zero knowledge on how you make flight sims, and I hope (is it possible?) that with updates the performance improves. Just thought I’d leave this here incase anyone, like i was, is wondering.

Still great fun to fly though.
 

 

[LuseKofte]

28 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said:

The problem with the world is that people want to hide the truth

You are overly dramatic about some poly’s you do not agree with. 
I on the other hand bought a solid piece of software. 

Edited June 10, 2024 by LuseKofte

[Dangerzone]

11 hours ago, ThorBrasil said:

 

 

Full price for...
1 - Poorly detailed 3D model.
2 - Low resolution textures.
3 - Sounds, I don't even need to comment, but everyone already knows the condition and Polychop has promised to fix it.
4 - Systems, according to the manual there are many unimplemented features, but I prefer not to comment because it could be a limitation of the DCS engine.
5 - Lack of animation on the ammunition belt when firing the .50. The ammunition is static and does not travel through the ammunition belt.
6 - FM, I prefer not to comment because I don't have the knowledge to do this, but from what I've seen pilots commenting. The Kiowa can't take off with 4xHellfires and 100% fuel and in the DCS this is possible. You can even hover. Maybe it's a bug.
7 - Many bugs, but this is expected for any computer system.

 

Accusing PC of deception is a serious accusation. A company not meeting your expectations is not deception.

The irony is - out of all this - it's content in your posts that come across as being deceptive.

Accusing PC of deception when they haven't been. Or acting surprised and victimised after buying, when you posted and knew these issues existed prior to sale - those would be far closer to meeting the definition of deception, than someone not releasing a product that doesn't live up to your standards. 

This whole drama reminds me of a soccer player way over reacting from a small brush that they knew was coming - falling down hugging his arm or leg on the ground as if they're in so much pain crying out foul and violence when there was none. It really is overly dramatic. 

All that has occurred here is that your expectations and standards are far higher than ED's. And that's fine. You have a right to be disappointed. That's truly unfortunate. Everyone has different expectations and reviews can show that. But - ED gave their stamp of approval for the current model being full price, and for it being released in it's current state. There's been tones of video's prior. You were aware of these issues prior. There is no deception by PC, no coverup. There is just your expectations, and that polychop and ED failed to meet your expectations. So, you disagree with the price vs the quality you view. You have a different view on what EA vs non-EA means compared to ED. (Although I find it strange that your focus - which borders on obsession is at PC, and not ED really - given ED are the gatekeepers in all this).  That's OK - that doesn't mean they're being deceptive. 

Do you go down to the local furniture shop, see a TV that's priced too much and yell "This business is being deceptive?" because the price is too high for the quality? At that price it should be 4K, not HD? No - that'd be silly. But that's what it appears you're doing here with the accusations made about polychop's character. There was no pre-order on this product where they didn't deliver what they originally announced and you paid for it before release. You could see what you were getting from the video's. You could have waited 24hrs to see what was released. 

No one is trying to hide the truth here, as you falsely accuse us of. The accusations about this being a toxic thread is sadly accurate. It's got nothing to do with the quality of the module, nor even the differences between your expectations and others, but the content of posts that respond or attack people that disagree as 'hiding the truth'. 

 

11 hours ago, ThorBrasil said:

With all these problems, Kiowa should be released in early access and not charge an absurd amount of 70 dollars as a "complete" module that looks more like a module from 10 years ago in DCS World.

That's your opinion - which you're entitled to. But that doesn't make them deceptive.

The atmosphere of this thread really needs to change directions. At present, it just seems a small group of people are rushing to a housefire to throw gasoline on it instead of water, while others are trying to bring reason to the table. Maybe some people are just getting kicks out of drama? I don't know. With DCS going through so much at the moment in other areas, it'd be really nice to see cooler heads prevail and the community head towards unity instead of division and us to be able to discuss things, and even disagree amicably and get back to constructive criticism instead of false accusations. 

Edited June 11, 2024 by Dangerzone

[RealDCSpilot]

Textures, especially the normal maps are only at 30% where they should be in 2024. The whole 3D model looks more like something that would be used as an AI object in a game.
The Apache is simply state-of-the-art. It demonstrates up-to-date texturing artist craftmanship.

Edited June 11, 2024 by RealDCSpilot

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

6 hours ago, ThorBrasil said:

The problem with the world is that people want to hide the truth. There is only one truth and we can never run away from it. You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. People can't argue back and come up with ready-made words...

"They're crybabies" or "Everyone is toxic" and many other ready-made phrases.

Hide the truth? Bro, you're getting push back, that's how it goes.

[freehand]

1 hour ago, RealDCSpilot said:

Textures, especially the normal maps are only at 30% where they should be in 2024. The whole 3D model looks more like something that would be used as an AI object in a game.
The Apache is simply state-of-the-art. It demonstrates up-to-date texturing artist craftmanship.

 

 

 

Your comparing a 150 to 170 man "top of there game" team to a 3 man team.

[Hiob]

People are spending more time going around the outside with a magnifier instead of flying the damn thing.....

In one thread complaining on the hardware demands of something like the Apache, in the other hating on Polychop for going light in texture resolution.

There is no winning in this game.

I think from any reasonable angle and distance the KW looks perfectly fine. I'd rather have PC polish some gameplay elements or stuff insight the cockpit where I will spend most of my time! In the meantime I just enjoy flying it!