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Switching AG Weapon on SMS page: F16 keeps delivery mode of previous selected AG weapon - example: Mav modes ( VIS/Pre/Bore) are replaced by CCIP or Harm

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Track attached.

load 1 wing with mavs, load other wing with any other weapon like gbu-12 or mk82

Switch to mav, check delivery mode -> VIS

Switch weapon to other type, delivery mode switches to CCIP / CCRP / DTOS, whatever.

Switch back to Mav as selected weapon -> Mav now in last used bomb mode and cannot be used anymore.

AGM-65_delivery_modes.trk AGM-65_CCRP.trk

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darkman222

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Reproduction HARM:
-Load Mavericks and Harm

-Fire Harm

-Use SMS page to go to Maverick

-OSB button that used to show VIS/PRE/Bore now shows HARM

 

Reproduction CCIP:

-Load Mavericks and MK82

-release MK82

-Use SMS page to go to Maverick

-OSB button that should show VIS/PRE/BORE shows CCIP and is stuck

 

Track attached

 

maverick in CCIP.trk maverick in Harm mode.trk

Edited by darkman222
changed title to refine issue which is not limited to Mavericks only
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cheg

cheg

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Hi,

 

So I have noticed that when switching (after a cold start or reload) in air or on ground that when I switch weapons from HARM to Mavericks it gets bugged - where it should say VIS - BORE - PRE, it says HARM. And to temporary fix it, i need to click on A-G and then again A-G, then I get the normal selection for Maverick modes. 

As far as I remember this was not the case before?

Also on random I have noticed when using HARM's it can happen that the HAD screen gets bugged that i cannot target anything or that i have invisible targets. I'll record this bug and post it as soon as I repeat it.

image.png

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darkman222

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Whats even more awesome, now I can use HARMs in VIS/PRE/BORE mode 🙂 aka the other way around also works.

Reproduction:

-Load Maverick and HARM

-AG mode. ( toggles to Maverick first)

-SMS page, switch to HARM

-> Harm shows PRE mode from Mavericks.

 

You can toggle back to Maverick. Toggle between the Maverick modes and bring them to the Harm MFD.

Maybe that was not as obvious as the original issue here, because if you open WPN page it switches back to HARM mode, how you would expect it to find.

 

 

harm in mav modes.trk

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darkman222

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It does not even end here.

You can have Harms in CCRP, CCIP and DTOS.

Reproduction:

-load Harms and MK82

-AG mode

-MK82 are selected first

-switch to Harm

-> Harm show what ever mode was selected for MK82 before CCRP, CCIP, DTOS

Track attached

 

Conclusion.

It seems not to have something to do with Mavericks

As long as the WPN page is not shown, switching the AG weapon via SMS page does not open the corresponding delivery mode for the selected AG weapon unless WPN page is opened up

 

 

harm in CCRP CCIP.trk

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  • darkman222 changed the title to Switching AG Weapon on SMS page: F16 keeps delivery mode of previous selected AG weapon - example: Mav modes ( VIS/Pre/Bore) are replaced by CCIP or Harm
darkman222

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-Fixed: Сrash when switching weapons when using unlimited weapons

According to changelog ED has been working on the F16 weapons in general.

But nobody at ED tried to fire 2 different weapons in one flight I guess. That bug is way too obvious to be overlooked if someone at ED really had tested AG carefully before the patch was pushed out. Otherwise it should have been mentioned as: Known issue.

 

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cheg

cheg

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So In regards with HARM not wanting to lock
nullAfter firing some harms, landing and reload and repair, get back in the air then it says on the harm BIT even tho master arm is on and i believe the other conditions to fire are met. But I still cannot lock on to any targets (see on the image).

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cheg

cheg

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2 hours ago, darkman222 said:

Seems like the F16 keeps the delivery mode of the AG ordnance that was previously selected.

Seems to affect many if not all AG weapons:

 

There is also another issue I have noticed, and that is maybe related with this whole "refresh" thingy with the weapons, that when I boresight a maverick, and then i use PRE mode all is fine, but when I switch to BORE mode, HUD does not display the cross / or better yet to say its outside of the HUD (either way left or right, depending if its the left or right wing pylon selected) so BORE mode is unusable when maverick is boresigted... Except if I'm missing something? 

darkman222

darkman222

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On 6/8/2024 at 2:58 PM, cheg said:

So In regards with HARM not wanting to lock

Please dont hijack threads, especially in bug section that are not the exact same issue youre seeing. I even updated the thread title twice to make it clearer what it is about while I was investigating. Create a new own thread, or post as a question in the general F16 section please.

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Moonshine

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6 hours ago, cheg said:

There is also another issue I have noticed, and that is maybe related with this whole "refresh" thingy with the weapons, that when I boresight a maverick, and then i use PRE mode all is fine, but when I switch to BORE mode, HUD does not display the cross / or better yet to say its outside of the HUD (either way left or right, depending if its the left or right wing pylon selected) so BORE mode is unusable when maverick is boresigted... Except if I'm missing something? 

Please put that in a separate report, including a trackfile of it. Otherwise things get mixed up and nothing gets done to fix either issue

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Aoi Kaze

Aoi Kaze

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Hello all,

In the past few days, I'm finding a lot of problems with the weapons systems as following: if you have a mixed payload, let's say, Mavs and Gbu-97s, when in Mavs' SMS page (even in the weapon's page) appears as the possibilities: CCIP, CCRP, DTOS... instead of PRE, BORE and VIS, and sometimes the contrary. If adding a 3rd weapon (in my case, HARMS), appeared in the SMS, when using the MAVS, HARM, instead of the real options.

Usually, if I restart the mission (I had to start it from air, because a couple of times I couldn't align them since it didn't let me pick the PRE mode), the problem disappears, but many times it doesn't. Is anyone else having a similar problem?

I just made a very short track to show, but I didn't even connect the track IR. I don't know if in this track master weapons is on or any other minor thing, but I played many times  suffering this issue and other things like Air-Air combat weapons were functioning fine.

Thanks in advance

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