reported unrealistic landing gear !

[Robo76]

Po několika nedávných úpravách nyní F-16 bez problémů jezdí a dokonce vzlétá na trávě. F-16 je letadlo, které v reálném životě potřebuje perfektní přistávací dráhu. Jedná se o cheat, který se nyní používá v MP misích. Na druhou stranu letadla, která to umí v reálném životě (L-39, Su-25), uvíznou v trávě nebo si zničí podvozek v DCS.

 

Edited June 21, 2024 by Robo76

[Robo76]

...and in real life

Edited June 19, 2024 by Robo76

[BIGNEWY]

On 6/14/2024 at 8:29 PM, Robo76 said:

After several recent modifications, the F-16 now runs and even takes off on grass without any problems. The F-16 is an aircraft that needs a perfect runway in real life. This is a cheat that is now used in MP missions. On the other hand, aircraft that can do this in real life (L-39, Su-25) get stuck in the grass or destroy their landing gear in DCS.

 

Please always include a short as possible track replay example and any evidence for what you are claiming. 

thank you 

[Robo76]

Attached is a recording of a fully loaded DCS F-16 C taking off from the grass. Prior to update 2.9.5.55300, the F-16 landing gear broke down outside the concrete area like the other modules.

F-16 take-off grass.trk

 

I couldn't find a video of a real F-16 taking off from a grass airfield on the internet. If the creator of the module has it, I'd be happy to watch it. Thank you

Edited June 19, 2024 by Robo76

[sirrah]

16 hours ago, Robo76 said:

I couldn't find a video of a real F-16 taking off from a grass airfield on the internet. If the creator of the module has it, I'd be happy to watch it. Thank you

From personal experience (as an F-16 mechanic), I can confirm that this is not possible (at least not on normal grass)

(I've first hand witnessed one of our Vipers sinking about 2 feet deep into the grass with one wheel, when our tow-truck driver made a poor judgement call trying to steer clear of an incoming taxiing jet. I was sitting on the back of the tow truck facing the F-16. It was quite a view seeing it all happen )

This all happened with a clean F-16 (no ext tanks, and internal fuel at ±80%), so with a fully loaded one, it would be worse.



(apart from sinking into the grass, the F-16 air intake would suck up way too much dirt/fod, destroying the engine)

[darkman222]

As he says. Its not a Mig29 obviously Dont we have an unclassified text passage in the F16 Lockheed manual saying "just dont land on the field"?

Not really sure how to prove obvious things to ED without a document saying so. Even if it said so, I have the feeling that ED would only implement it if there was a speed mentioned with that.

The reason for not having data on that is, that no one in real life would test this on purpose to gather data for that. Apart from that the DCS F16 gear seems to be pretty indestructible. It comes out and goes back in at Mach 1.

Edited June 20, 2024 by darkman222

[razo+r]

Well, there is also this footage available... 

https://youtu.be/LUei3kAcl9s?si=aR7b7CKjacHDacco

[Nedum]

29 minutes ago, razo+r said:

Well, there is also this footage available... 

https://youtu.be/LUei3kAcl9s?si=aR7b7CKjacHDacco

The same, but with a better viewing angle and much better video quality.

And to be clear, the proof we are looking for is simple physics. Why do you think the Russians use much bigger and wider tires and then even two of them at each stage?
Why is the engine inlet on the MIG 29 closed for bottom loading and open at the top?

There is no physics in this world that would give an F16 a chance to land on a grass surface. Not with those little narrow wheels. Not now and not in a thousand years. Physics doesn't lie.

 

Edited June 20, 2024 by Nedum

[Robo76]

Probably since this update I've started seeing F-16s in multiplayer missions taxiing and taking off on grass. 

Edited June 21, 2024 by Robo76

[buceador]

On 6/19/2024 at 10:14 AM, BIGNEWY said:

Please always include a short as possible track replay example and any evidence for what you are claiming

I think that  as @sirrah, an F-16 mechanic, states that it is not possible as well as pointing out that the air intake would ingest all kinds of detrimental debris it should be accepted that this does NOT reflect reality and therefore should be investigated.

Thank you.

TO from grass.trk

[Robo76]

The example of the F-16 taking off from the grass proves that the problem is not in the terrain map but in the setup of the module's landing gear operation and durability. If one wanted to fix it according to real machines, it can be done. If it remains in DCS in this state, it looks like an effort to purposely degrade or improve the performance of some aircraft-modules. If an F-16 takes off from a runway-less field base in multiplayer combat, lands there, refuels, rearms, and shoots you down after takeoff, you wonder if you're still playing DCS or if you're already playing War of Warplanes.

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[buceador]

@BIGNEWY Thoughts?

[Robo76]

Record of a ten-ton F-16 landing in a meadow. Sci-fi.

F-16 10tons landing in a meadow.trk

[Lord Vader]

Hi all,

We are aware of the F-16 landing gear limitations and we hope to make this a bit more realistic in future updates.

Thanks for your support.