leroy1964 Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 Will do thanks Get a book called Tornado Down its quite interesting to read.:thumbup: Thanks I will see if I can get here in Oz?:book: Cheers me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroy1964 Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 interesting though eh? lol this thread is completely derailed. I don't care about the apache in SP.. i cant wait to fly my m8's around while they shoot stuff =D Oh well still a great post.:thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksub Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Tornado would be great, as would the Gripen. Whilst the current to-do list is ok there are a lot of aircraft in there that have been done already in Lock On (ok not to the same degree of complexity but still). I am looking forward to the Mi24 and Apache but the others leave me a little cold. Why not throw a Tornado in the mix or the F15 E instead of the C? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Yeah with some aircraft they can achieve some quite high speeds by breaking the rules eg the F-15 that got damaged whilst intercepting an aircraft over Iraq. I think in some configurations like clean stores 1/2 fuel tank you could exceed what is known of the aircrafts top speed in some aircraft but theres no doubt that you would be breaking the rules accomplishing that. If by breaking the rules you meant 'punching the tank while going supersonic' I agree - if you mean 'going too fast', I don't. It's more likely that the tank collided with the wing in the resulting change of air characteristics than anything else. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midknightsun75 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 OK everyone will hate me for this ...but I'm biased because I worked the airframe......how do I plead with them to do a MH-53J/M Pavelow IIIE sim? Granted we're not talking a combat helo like the ones mentioned above, but the aircraft was armed with a standard of 1ea 50 cal (tail) and 2 ea mini-guns (RH/LH gunners windows). Maybe a medivac or infil/exfil based game? "So that others may live...." VAE VICTUS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 For those aircraft that DCS will not make, there'll be the 3rd party tools ... can you make it as good as the DCS ones? It'll be up to you ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 For those aircraft that DCS will not make, there'll be the 3rd party tools ... can you make it as good as the DCS ones? It'll be up to you ;) good answer... will there be a leason on how to script the FM? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 will there be a lesson on how to script the FM? Followed by a Good Question! Yet somehow I do not think that Mere Mortals will ever be allowed into the Inner Sanctum that is the Code which governs the Flight Models.......Would but be a matter of time before we get Vaporized by a Klingon Battleship shortly after take-off from Sochi......:huh: Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I don't think so - ... in fact, you cannot use DCS' FM at all, as I understand it. You have to plug in your own FM engine (thankfully, there are at least a couple reasonably good FM engines available out there for free - they are open source projects) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Nothing so unrealistic. Just my AMRAAM-laden F-15C :D Would but be a matter of time before we get Vaporized by a Klingon Battleship shortly after take-off from Sochi......:huh: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 thank you.. any one got any numbes for ex Bucc pilots????? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I don't think so - ... in fact, you cannot use DCS' FM at all, as I understand it. You have to plug in your own FM engine (thankfully, there are at least a couple reasonably good FM engines available out there for free - they are open source projects) And your own avionics, and then I wonder how things like Radar or IR imaginery can be done without access to dev. algorithm modules... If I understand correctly, ED only provides tools for doing 3D cockpit models and to connect visual engine to external flight model, but nothing more... Regards!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th3flyboy Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'm thinking when they release the tools, there will be a manual or a wiki for the tools... Current Sims: DCS Black Shark, Falcon 4.0, X-Plane 9, Steel Beasts Pro PE, IL-2 1946, ArmA 2, FSX, Rise of Flight, EECH, Harpoon 3 ANW, CSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 And your own avionics, and then I wonder how things like Radar or IR imaginery can be done without access to dev. algorithm modules... If I understand correctly, ED only provides tools for doing 3D cockpit models and to connect visual engine to external flight model, but nothing more... That is the way I understood it as well. Because of this I think it is more likely that relative simple aircraft are made by 3rd parties, like an OV-10, An-24 or L-39. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I think you'll be able to build the radars etc in LUA, just like the cockpit and underlying systems - I really don't know how this will all look like however, since we've not yet seen the tools - it might be dangerous to speculate. And your own avionics, and then I wonder how things like Radar or IR imaginery can be done without access to dev. algorithm modules... If I understand correctly, ED only provides tools for doing 3D cockpit models and to connect visual engine to external flight model, but nothing more... Regards!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 External Flight Model Linking. This software package allows the linking of 3rd party flight dynamic systems into DCS to control aircraft. bit like this????? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Right - so you could use a free FM engine like for example JBsim. Obviously now you need to start learning about a thing or two concerning aerodynamics, and in addition how subsonic vs. transonic vs. supersonic physics work, because they are NOT all the same and it DOES make a difference ... some FM sims can do all of those correctly, most do one or other other. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar12dk Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Weight F-111F, empty 47,481 pounds (21,367 kilograms). Maximum Takeoff Weight F-111F, 100,000 pounds (45,000 kilograms). according to FAS. And I doubt that the F-model weighs twice as much as the A-model. So I suppose that his figures aren't that off. I originally intended to show the topspeed, but got carried away with copying numbers, for that I appologise. I didn't look anywhere else for the figures, so I didn't crosscheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 well the Bucc was a subsonic carrier bomber.... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 If by breaking the rules you meant 'punching the tank while going supersonic' I agree - if you mean 'going too fast', I don't. It's more likely that the tank collided with the wing in the resulting change of air characteristics than anything else. No he exceeded the max speed and damaged the aircraft not sure which part it was a while back when I read about it. I doubt it was a tank. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 OK everyone will hate me for this ...but I'm biased because I worked the airframe......how do I plead with them to do a MH-53J/M Pavelow IIIE sim? Granted we're not talking a combat helo like the ones mentioned above, but the aircraft was armed with a standard of 1ea 50 cal (tail) and 2 ea mini-guns (RH/LH gunners windows). Maybe a medivac or infil/exfil based game? That would be a good addon for Arma as well as DCS.:thumbup: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I really don't think you've got that one straight ;) The speed limitation is, AFAIK, for engines, not the airframe. The airframe can handle it. No he exceeded the max speed and damaged the aircraft not sure which part it was a while back when I read about it. I doubt it was a tank. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Didn't once the windscreen of a F-15 started to melt because it was going too fast? Or did I mix this one with something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I've never heard of that - I think someone mentioned putting their hand to the canopy and it was warm, but nothing about melting. You'll destroy the engines faster than the canopy from speed, most likely. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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