MOZA force feedback base AB9 How to get started?

[hannibal]

my new toy coming in later.

i hear ppl say you have to launch dcs from the moza software or something.. will go through process

setting up this thread for notes on how to setup..

timeline

-received moza AB9 base.. unboxed and checked for all parts.

-Jabbers in MOZA discord shared link to AB9 downloads https://support.mozaracing.com/en/support/solutions/articles/70000666515-software-download

-installed MOZA Cockpit software 1.0.1.17 (and font pacakge?) -> HOME-> Game List (DCS World)-> click on Windows Icon and click "set Install Path" to Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\bin-mt (location of DCS.exe)

-confirmed that C:\Users\user\Saved Games\DCS\Scripts\MOZA was installed NOTE:i installed moza cockpit software on second PC, and this PC had Save Games\DCS.openbeta which did not create the scripts MOZA folder..  to migrate to DCS watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSK006x8syk

 

-plugged in AB9 base to PC and wall outlet (110 VAC)

-MOZA cockpit software notification to update firmware via firmware upgrade tool (successfully went from 1.1.1.20 to 1.1.1.21)

-opened MOZA cockpit software -> AB9 tab, selected P51D preset -> home tab, Game List (DCS World) -> click on Windows Icon and click

-using virpil mongoose stick with MOZA Cockpit grip settings for MH16 with Button (not D-pad)

-Started DCS World -> OPTIONS/Settings -> MISC check ON force feedback

-OPTIONS/Settings -> SPECIAL i went through every aircraft and set cyclic trimmer mode to "INSTANT TRIM FFB FRIENDLY" or DISPLACED NEUTRAL(FFB)

Edited September 17, 2024 by hannibal

[hannibal]

shared by JABBERS.. https://support.mozaracing.com/en/support/solutions/articles/70000666515-software-download

[tom1502]

I keep finding that the stick is practically unmovable in every aircraft. I get a slackening off in the props when I put it into a stall turn, but I get nothing in the helicopters. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong. I've tried Direct, Telemetry and integrated. I can't get the vibration when firing the gun, I get no vibration when landing, or on the ground. I can't feel the gear come down, nothing. I'm not sure what settings I'm meant to change.

[hannibal]

i only tried out the game for a few minutes.. i tried P51 with P51 preset and it didnt feel like much. since then i spent the last 3 days mounting the joystick to my chair, and it was some effort.

how ever i tried P51 with the P47 preset and there was some life.

the reality (not from this example) but not all aircraft will be the same. the outputs are not going to be matching across the board, particular from my experience setting up motion simulation..i found that for example the F14 didnt have airbrake telemetry but other aircraft has.

 

at the end of the day we have to wait for moza to improve the software, and the community to find the best settings... per aircraft..

[Scott-S6]

Does it trim correctly in helicopters? That would be enough to get me interested. 

[Deezle]

5 hours ago, Scott-S6 said:

Does it trim correctly in helicopters? That would be enough to get me interested. 

Yes, with the caveat being if you have the spring setting turned up, it will fight itself between holding the trimmed center and trying to go back to the physical center, Moza is aware of this and it should be fixed at some point. I simply have the spring set to 0, as the direct feedback from the game provides plenty (which I've also turned down), so it works perfectly.

[Scott-S6]

1 minute ago, Deezle said:

Yes, with the caveat being if you have the spring setting turned up, it will fight itself between holding the trimmed center and trying to go back to the physical center, Moza is aware of this and it should be fixed at some point. I simply have the spring set to 0, as the direct feedback from the game provides plenty (which I've also turned down), so it works perfectly.

Interesting, thank you.

[rbz]

Has anyone created any presets for aircraft yet? I feel like this is missing.

But only a handful of aircraft are modeled. 
The F-4E with it's trim system is transformational. The aircraft and the feedback are in perfect sync. If we had some sharing program where pilots of the actual aircraft could Set profiles for OH-58D or P-47D or AH-64D, for example this is the missing piece of the puzzle IMO


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[Mr_sukebe]

7 hours ago, rbz said:

Has anyone created any presets for aircraft yet? I feel like this is missing.

But only a handful of aircraft are modeled. 
The F-4E with it's trim system is transformational. The aircraft and the feedback are in perfect sync. If we had some sharing program where pilots of the actual aircraft could Set profiles for OH-58D or P-47D or AH-64D, for example this is the missing piece of the puzzle IMO


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agreed!

Moza does seem to have created a good starting point by picking an aircraft of a type, eg one helicopter, a warbird with a radial engine, one with an inline engine etc.

Thats how I’ve been using it so far. So for example, I fly all choppers using the preset for the Mi24.

It is very easy to create a new profile, though I think that some of the preferences will be personal and dependent upon the rest of the flight sim gear used

[sinistar]

I just recieved my AB9 and proceeded to unbox, mount and connect up to my sim-pit. I then downloaded the Cockpit software from Moza, ran that guy and proceeded with a firmware update (now v1.1.1.30).

(As an aside, I am using my Warthog grip - which interestingly, the Moza Cockpit reports as a MH16)

I configured my path from DCS from within the Cockpit software, and then just picked a random aircraft from the DCS Preset menu (I wanted to fly the Chinook, and realize that I'll have to make my own preset at some point).

Note that the basic settings all have "Integrated FFB" as their selection.

I then launched DCS (from the "launcher" within the Moza Cockpit) and brought up the main menu options - noting that the Misc->Force Feedback was already selected.
Under Special->CH-47F, I tried both Trimmer Modes of "Default" and "No springs and FFB" with equal (no joy) results

When I launch into an airframe, the controls work for about a second, and then after all the graphics render in, the controls freeze and the joystick inputs have no effect. Bringing up the controls menu, I see there are two columns for the MOZA AB9 (see screen shot). Any idea why?

Also, back to the Moza Cockpit software, the display showing the input values is no longer registering any control inputs.

If I quit DCS, the Cockpit software still does not register any inputs. It is almost like DCS causes something to hiccup. The only way I can get the inputs to register again (in Moza Cockpit) is to either power cycle the base, or unplug/plug the base's USB connection.

Do any of you AB9 users have multiple columns in the control setup screen for the AB9?

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Edited November 6, 2024 by sinistar

[Patgun]

I got mine today. Works just great after the first quirks are solved.

I got the same double columns for the Moza base. Windows game controller setting does also show the Moza base twice. However, just one of both is working. You just need to find out which one of both is to be setup in DCS. Just ignore the other one.

When setup in DCS ist done, go into the Moza Cockpit software. There you should use Telemetry FFB or Integrated FFB, because you can use that software to set the effects accordingly without fiddling arround with lua scripts. At least that's what I think. I've not set anything in the DCS settings apart from the controller settings.

First I was trying the F-18. Most effects were working right out of the box and felt quite good. Then, I went over to the P-51. No forces, no effects, even with the P-51 profil in the Moza Cockpit selected. Same for the Phantom. So, all a bit disappointing.

Then I was going into the Telemetry FFB settings fot the Phantom. Noticed, that most of the Jet effects that you would expect to happen were not activated. So I did, using the preset values. Then I did the next test. Voilá! It worked finally. And it worked great! In particular the Phantom is much more controlable with the ongoing changes in stick forces. If you have ever flown a real plane, you will understand what that means. Now, it just needs some tuning.

By the way, you just need to press ESC in DCS, Alt-Tab over to Moza Cockpit, adjust the setting of your choice, Alt-Tab back to DCS, resume. There you can check if the change has any effect.

Hope that helps!

Cheers

Patrick

PS: When you do changes to Telemetry settings and found a good solution finally, dont forget to save it as "New Preset". Otherwise all your changes are gone when you switch to another profile. 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Patgun

[tkpro1951]

I got mine yesterday and had the exact problem...two Moza FFB in Windows Game Controllers plus two columns in DCS. Contacted Moza with issue and they replied within 6 hours! They clarified that the unit has 2 controllers,  one that maps axis signals and one that maps key/button signals. Armed with that knowledge, I will be mapping the pitch and roll axis in one column and the other buttons/switches in the other column. Then I will be tackling the setup for the FFB in moza Cockpit software...hope this helps. 

[Mr_sukebe]

That's interesting.  I have all of the axes and grip buttons on the same Moza column within DCS.

[tkpro1951]

MR_sukebe, you are correct...all functions must be mapped in the same Moza column in DCS. 

[rapid]

12 hours ago, tkpro1951 said:

MR_sukebe, you are correct...all functions must be mapped in the same Moza column in DCS. 

Yup ignore the other one.

Moza said they will be looking at removing the other one.

[sinistar]

Thanks for the advice and updates all. I'm now convinced I have a defective unit and will be asking for a refund.

[pii]

On 9/22/2024 at 4:48 AM, Scott-S6 said:

Does it trim correctly in helicopters? That would be enough to get me interested. 

Yes it does now as of 11/16/24. you can either just use the key press or hold the button down and move the stick. 

[pii]

On 11/6/2024 at 12:20 PM, Patgun said:

By the way, you just need to press ESC in DCS, Alt-Tab over to Moza Cockpit, adjust the setting of your choice, Alt-Tab back to DCS

You don't even need to go back to DCS it is instant and you can feel it in the stick without even being in DCS. It doesn't control DCS it controls the Ab9

Is anyone having Moza cockpit crashing to desktop? I've had a few.

[Mr_sukebe]

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3 hours ago, pii said:

You don't even need to go back to DCS it is instant and you can feel it in the stick without even being in DCS. It doesn't control DCS it controls the Ab9

Is anyone having Moza cockpit crashing to desktop? I've had a few.

so far it’s been extremely solid.  Hasn’t crashed yet whilst I’ve been flying.

[pii]

Just now, Mr_sukebe said:

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so far it’s been extremely solid.  Hasn’t crashed yet whilst I’ve been flying.

It seems to crash if you flip out and back to DCS, after4 or 5 times it just shuts down

[Patgun]

7 hours ago, pii said:

You don't even need to go back to DCS it is instant and you can feel it in the stick without even being in DCS. It doesn't control DCS it controls the Ab9

Is anyone having Moza cockpit crashing to desktop? I've had a few.

That's partially correct. It applies to general feedback, such as spring, damper, and inertia. But not to event triggered feedback such as afterburner or weapon release. To check those settings, you need to go back into DCS. 

I've hadn't experienced any CTD's of Moza cockpit.

Cheers

Patrick

[pii]

On 11/16/2024 at 6:30 PM, Patgun said:

That's partially correct. It applies to general feedback, such as spring, damper, and inertia. But not to event triggered feedback such as afterburner or weapon release. To check those settings, you need to go back into DCS. 

I've hadn't experienced any CTD's of Moza cockpit.

Cheers

Patrick

I wonder what is causing my CTD, it happens many times during a session.

[mytai01]

Moza & Pimax software run on their own, completely separate from DCS. You'll have to turn them both on and choose the settings you want before starting DCS. Moza will show up as two separate columns in the axis. You'll figure out which one works. One important thing I figured out was not to judge the controller until you fly without any wind or turbulence. You won't be able to tell how stable the controller is.

[mytai01]

I just discovered you also have to set up DCS using the "Game List" on the right side of the software window. Once you do that, then DCS will really start communicating with the Moza. Don't forget to select force feedback in DCS settings.

[Byzantine_SK]

I was experiencing Intermittent loss of telemetry effects (guns/rotor shake) over the last few days on the FFB and have now lost all telemetry (yesterday). Additionally, I have also lost haptic feedback from my Buttkicker and telemetry effects are not being communicated through DCS.  Moza firmware is 1.1.1.30 and DCS is the latest steam release. Anyone experiencing this or have troubleshooting advice?