What Controlers that fit MOZA AB9 FFB

[Warlock99]

I've received and installed the AB9 FFB and went to install the Winwing Orion2 16EX Joystick Combo(With Shaker Kit) and found it does not fit (this is after contacting Moza tech support and being assured that it would). What controllers do fit on the Moza base or are there any adapters available?

Thanks

[Mr_sukebe]

The AB9 is supposedly compatible with the Thrustmaster interface, which means that Virpil grips should also work.

I did think that WW made an adapter that would allow use of their grips on TM kit, which "should" work.

[Aapje]

Virpil grips do work, but apparently not (yet?) with full functionality.

VKB can also be used with the adapter from VPForce.

[Warlock99]

9 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said:

The AB9 is supposedly compatible with the Thrustmaster interface, which means that Virpil grips should also work.

I did think that WW made an adapter that would allow use of their grips on TM kit, which "should" work.

Thanks, will look into that.

[Scott-S6]

On 9/16/2024 at 9:06 AM, Mr_sukebe said:

The AB9 is supposedly compatible with the Thrustmaster interface, which means that Virpil grips should also work.

I did think that WW made an adapter that would allow use of their grips on TM kit, which "should" work.

Other way around, they make an adapter part for their bases that accepts TM compatible grips.

This is something that Moza need to improve. Their MH16 stick says "It effortlessly fits with most compatible bases" so it's compatible with compatible bases except when it's not. Fantastic info.

Edited September 22, 2024 by Scott-S6

[Warlock99]

On 9/22/2024 at 3:45 AM, Scott-S6 said:

Other way around, they make an adapter part for their bases that accepts TM compatible grips.

This is something that Moza need to improve. Their MH16 stick says "It effortlessly fits with most compatible bases" so it's compatible with compatible bases except when it's not. Fantastic info.

 

Your not wrong there.

[James744]

Warlock - Any chance you could add a picture of the AB9 base fitted into your set-up? I have one on order and I'm not sure exactly how I'm going to get it to fit given how large the base is!

[void68]

Same problem here. WW F16EX doesn't fit mechanically (male on male) and isn't recognized by Moza Cockpit software. Mechanically mismatch is no problem as I 3D printed myself an adapter. The electronics is the problem.

Facing Moza support with the problem they keep telling me "buy an [mechanical] adapter from dealer". Which one? Moza hasn't got one, Winwing hasn't got one (just a male/male adapter for Thrustmaster to Orion, but I need female/female). They are dodging to give me a correct answer, as when the stick isn't recognized by the software after being plugged in how can a mechanical adapter (whoever sells this!) help with this?

The support and selling policy is FUBAR. The base seems to be not compatible with any Winwing stick, other than claimed on their homepage. If they don't prove me wrong with the next answer.

 

edit: got their Discord support: There should have been an electrical adapter for the Winwing in the package to solve the problem. So the Winwing should be compatible.

Edited December 19, 2024 by void68

[Keith Briscoe]

When Moza is fully compatible with WW sticks, I will likely be a buyer of the AB9 base.

[void68]

addition: nope, no connector there. It has to be bought seperately. Where? When? They have no idea themselves yet. So Winwing sticks (the F16EX) are NOT compatible other than they falsely claim. You can imagine that I am really angry about these politics and their halfhearted answers to cover... a lie or a promise not kept?

 

Here's their answer after around 1 week of ping pong'ing and still dodge the answer to "is the WWF16 compatbile or not?"

1. You can pay attention to Caseking DE to see if they will sell this suitable adapter later.

2. Electronic communication is only possible after the correct mechanical connection is made through the correct adapter.

3. The power supply is available separately for $85.

4. If you want to return it, please let us know, thanks.

Edited December 20, 2024 by void68

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James744

I picked up this mount for my AB9 and my Warthog throttle should have it by Monday. I'll post how it works out I was told it can handle way more than 12 lbs.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/135300801528?_skw=MEZA-Set+of+2+Hotas+Desk+Mounts+Joystick+Mount&itmmeta=01JEV092765CNNCT3AEKPS75VY&hash=item1f808e63f8:g:rCMAAOSwlglnDWMK&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKnt1TX2NXQhZS%2FGOBdnRrTeg8UQmO0n97PeZ%2FriY%2Bk4DfFJO5COszBtyCH8XVnCZXpnmjp9f%2FeieN4S2NFoIoXKdNrc%2Fvgn2aUnzUKelaWxf3o2X4YZ5U6y1rkStZ0zRTU9yQuiMTpxM77OwRoY8cDH6fG8UfgHti%2BbZW2j1vNMlO7a0HUeeNbDwX9PG1KL6QkNI0ozOHIBwJhG09uhBNFe8aba4g66W2NNgVSU7syZmQRskOLTTUmplGzvmzIQP9V8Hmk%2FCkJ5cgw5UBxWU7NUQ3zDCRCRbpNxY3aL7cS6QA%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9SjpOD2ZA

[Scott-S6]

On 12/17/2024 at 5:13 PM, void68 said:

The support and selling policy is FUBAR. The base seems to be not compatible with any Winwing stick, other than claimed on their homepage. If they don't prove me wrong with the next answer.

They also say about their MH16 grip "It effortlessly fits with most compatible bases, offering instant plug-and-play convenience." but the CMS doesn't work properly, even with bases they consider to be compatible.

On 12/20/2024 at 10:21 AM, void68 said:

2. Electronic communication is only possible after the correct mechanical connection is made through the correct adapter.

That is complete nonsense. The mechanical connection is not electrical and will not affect buttons working in any way. They have no clue or are outright lying.

Both are distinct possibilities, Moza simply isn't a good company. I gave them a chance with the MH16 to see if their products or practices had improved, they have not.

Edited December 21, 2024 by Scott-S6

[Biggus]

I've asked Moza repeatedly about the fabled Winwing adapter and I've been met with zero responses.  It's apparently available in at least one market but I've not yet found it.  I've become frustrated enough that instead, I'm selling my Winwing stick and I'm giving money to Thrustmaster for their Hornet stick and offset adapter.  I'd rather have bought the Moza adapter, but it's not an option.

[mytai01]

Thrust master Warthog & F18 stick, and Virpil sticks all should fit AB9.

[Biggus]

So I bought the TM offset adapter.

Guess what?  TM, never missing an opportunity to disappoint, have added two tabs to the casting of their offset adapter.  Without modification, the offset adapter is not compatible with the AB9 unless you grind those tabs away.

I've been able to make it work, but buyer beware.

[void68]

Am 21.12.2024 um 19:34 schrieb Scott-S6:

That is complete nonsense. The mechanical connection is not electrical and will not affect buttons working in any way. They have no clue or are outright lying.

Exactly! I tried to nail them down in their Discord why they still claim the WW16 compatibility - well, with really polite words and just stating facts. No response, completely ignoring me. At least they do not delete my questions.

Still they have the nerve to send me the standard email "Are you happy with the purchase, we value our customer" etc blabla.

Their MH16 flightstick I just got works, what wonder. The 5 pin PS/2 plug in the MH16 is akward again and does not fit into a 6 pin PS/2 socket, again problems problems problems. I wanted to 3D print myself an extension and also extend the wiring with a simple plug and socket adapter...

[Jar_VFA-113]

On 12/27/2024 at 8:31 AM, Biggus said:

So I bought the TM offset adapter.

Guess what?  TM, never missing an opportunity to disappoint, have added two tabs to the casting of their offset adapter.  Without modification, the offset adapter is not compatible with the AB9 unless you grind those tabs away.

I've been able to make it work, but buyer beware.

Hi Biggus, thank you for posting. I have an AB9 and the TM offset and just to confirm it looks like the 6pin DIN connection is good, it’s just the two metal lobes to grind away yes? Thanks again.

UPDATE - I ground the two lobes off and plugged it into the AB9 and it works perfectly. Thank you sir!

Edited January 6 by Jar_VFA-113

[Chipwich]

I can confirm that the TIANHANG F-16 (26) grip works for all buttons except the center press for the DMS switch. It also allows an offset without an adapter.

 

Edited February 20 by Chipwich

[zcaa0g]

On 12/29/2024 at 3:23 PM, void68 said:

Exactly! I tried to nail them down in their Discord why they still claim the WW16 compatibility - well, with really polite words and just stating facts. No response, completely ignoring me. At least they do not delete my questions.

Still they have the nerve to send me the standard email "Are you happy with the purchase, we value our customer" etc blabla.

Their MH16 flightstick I just got works, what wonder. The 5 pin PS/2 plug in the MH16 is akward again and does not fit into a 6 pin PS/2 socket, again problems problems problems. I wanted to 3D print myself an extension and also extend the wiring with a simple plug and socket adapter...

No clue if it actually works:

https://www.amazon.com/Flight-Joystick-Adapter-All-aluminum-Grooves-PC/dp/B0DS5ZNQJL/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2R2E2XLNU0LKK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.rOuaqGeOfbeXSHB1Ly6OhYjjMyzxKUAGvsWJIt5dkjs.PzRynHeBlDMoqrQ7avlvyw5PCV99GDa1eVKFn-AdFAw&dib_tag=se&keywords=moza+flight+joystick+adapter&qid=1740070708&sprefix=moza+flight+joystick+afapter%2Caps%2C138&sr=8-1

 

[Biggus]

I believe it's the actual Moza branded Winwing adapter, so I'd be surprised if it didn't work.

I was about to post a question about whether anyone has tested the Virpil VFX as I'm keen to buy one if Virpil ever produces another run of them, but a few hours ago someone posted on the Moza discord talking about their issues with the AB9 and the VFX.  The Moza response has been that they can't do much without obtaining a stick to test.  Not very reassuring for current VFX owners, and disappointing considering how phenomenal the Tomcat is with FFB.

[Aapje]

If I search for VFX, then I don't see a recent discussion. And it's pretty obvious that a company can only support a product properly if they have a device in hand.

 

 

 

[zcaa0g]

And it appears that Virpil is no longer going to produce the VFX.

So the only F-14 option is VKB with Walmus' adapter that goes from the VKB grip straight to the black box.

[Biggus]

14 hours ago, Aapje said:

If I search for VFX, then I don't see a recent discussion. And it's pretty obvious that a company can only support a product properly if they have a device in hand.

 

 

 

Search for F-14.

I'd have assumed Virpil would have had a fairly standardised protocol given the usage of the 5 pin mini DIN and their range of other sticks.  I don't think that's a completely unreasonable assumption to make, even if it's obvious to you.  I didn't post to complain about the apparent lack of effort to implement support but rather to express disappointment about the situation in general.

[Aapje]

As far as I know, Virpil doesn't publish specs for the protocol. Ideally, the companies would standardize on a single connector and protocol, and all the grips and bases would be interchangeable without adapters or any custom programming.

[Mobyflow]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:59 AM, zcaa0g said:

No clue if it actually works:

https://www.amazon.com/Flight-Joystick-Adapter-All-aluminum-Grooves-PC/dp/B0DS5ZNQJL/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2R2E2XLNU0LKK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.rOuaqGeOfbeXSHB1Ly6OhYjjMyzxKUAGvsWJIt5dkjs.PzRynHeBlDMoqrQ7avlvyw5PCV99GDa1eVKFn-AdFAw&dib_tag=se&keywords=moza+flight+joystick+adapter&qid=1740070708&sprefix=moza+flight+joystick+afapter%2Caps%2C138&sr=8-1

 

I just bought this adapter to try with my WW F18 grip. Will report findings if folks are interested. Should have everything next week.