Unplayable FPS

[brettt777]

I tried the new Northeast Afghanistan map last night. I never got off the ground cuz my FPS was unplayable. Just to make sure I didn't have any other issues, I ran the exact same aircraft and mission in Iraq, and it ran flawless. Anyone else have FPS issues with this new map? I had southwest Afghanistan before and I don't remember having any issues with it. Only started when I went to the northeast map.

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

Last week I flew the area Bagram, Kabul Khost, Jalalabad, and no issues, 100% of those flights were simple single player missions with no scripts or mods.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

I've been flying helicopters in the Bagram - Kabul area without any issues. I also just finished an F-14 IA mission there and again didn't have any performance problems.
There are a few modules (the Mirage F1 and OH-58) which have been interfering with specific scripts apparently, but I have only seen that happen once with a mission file a user shared on the Mirage F1 subforum to highlight performance problems. I never had it with any of my missions or missions that are included in DCS.

[TBarina]

When flying high i don't have any issue.

There are big issues when parked at Kandahar airport in some  instant mission.

For me it's not a trustable terrain so far.

I downloaded the trial version but I'm not going to buying it. It's unfinished, with a few custom missions available and no campaigns.

I've bought plenty of DCS modules. Most of them are very very good and a real fun to fly but from now on I will only buy  completed and deeply tested modules.

With so many Early Access modules I'm afraid that it will take decades to have the finished in time for me to run them. I'm 65 this year

 

 

[SharpeXB]

Sorry to say but your CPU just looks outdated. I had a 4790K that worked well for many years but it just began to struggle with newer maps like Syria and such. It’s probably time for an upgrade or to reduce your settings. 

[TBarina]

Thanks for sharing your opinion. However I don't think that upgrading would fix and surely I'm not going to spend 1.500 euros every two year just to cope with new maps.

In your case the upgrading from 4790k to 14900KS was worthing; 4790k was released 10 years ago and the gain in performance is about 70%. 5800X3D has been released in 2022 and I9-14900ks offers only +27% gaining.

Also I can get steady 75 fps in any other complex missions (sometimes getting steady 100 fps)

If you open that particular mission in ME will find out that there more than 500 static objects at the airport, which is insane. And after a minute or so from take-off  I can reach steady 75 fps.

Many thanks for your answer that I much appreciated

Ciao

[Mr_sukebe]

If you have such a variance in fps, my recommendation is to lower the textures.  Try setting Textures (i.e. your aircraft) to Medium and Textures for Ground to Low.

[TBarina]

Thanks for the suggestion.
I've done it but it doesn't help so much. The only way has been to edit the mission and reduce those insane number of static objects.

Now I'll take the time to activate Moose and write a lua script to put under stress many other airports in Caucasus by filling all ramps and parking slots so to check if the problem is exacerbated by Afghanistan map or is common to all maps.

Ciao

[Ithronwise]

5 hours ago, TBarina said:

Thanks for sharing your opinion. However I don't think that upgrading would fix and surely I'm not going to spend 1.500 euros every two year just to cope with new maps.

In your case the upgrading from 4790k to 14900KS was worthing; 4790k was released 10 years ago and the gain in performance is about 70%. 5800X3D has been released in 2022 and I9-14900ks offers only +27% gaining.

Also I can get steady 75 fps in any other complex missions (sometimes getting steady 100 fps)

If you open that particular mission in ME will find out that there more than 500 static objects at the airport, which is insane. And after a minute or so from take-off  I can reach steady 75 fps.

Many thanks for your answer that I much appreciated

I guess, SharpeXB didn't talk to you but to the thread starter. He has an I7 4790K.

Edited March 7 by Ithronwise

[TBarina]

1 hour ago, Ithronwise said:

I guess, SharpeXB didn't talk to you but to the thread starter. He has an I7 4790K.

Ah, you are right! I didn't realize that. Thanks

 

[dogsbody59]

superb Terrain, great job, no probs fps......getting 70 and thats my choice

[TBarina]

19 hours ago, dogsbody59 said:

superb Terrain, great job, no probs fps......getting 70 and thats my choice

I respect your opinion but it would be nice if you can produce your rig specs, nVidia an DCS settings and mission details or track.

I doubt that you can get 70 fps on that specific F14 Instant Action mission when parked at Kandahar.

I'm going to uninstall it for now unless someone from ED can explain why I can get 90 fps as soon as airborne and get a low 27 fps on the ground than, IMHO, breaks immersion. Also is strange that i lose 10/15 fps if i turn my head at 3 or 9 o'clock on the parking slot. Dont' know... I'm not convinced.

It's a terrain map but, unless I set terrain texture to LOW (which is a nonsense for a new map that I would expect be able to exploit new technologies and run better than maps that exist since a decade) is saturates 23GB RAM in my RTX4090. 

In any case, after reducing static objects and setting LOW terrain texture, I was able to taxi. Usual problem with ATC (but I've made a reason by now).
I wait my wingman to allign at my "side" (lets say so). Full afterburner (forced to do so because Wingman rolls on the tarmac with FULL AB which he shouldn't 'cause F14 doesn't require to do so).

I'll get back to what I was satisfactory doing before trying AF map and wait and see if there will be a trial period for Iraq.
Cheers

Edited March 8 by TBarina

[dogsbody59]

3 hours ago, TBarina said:

I respect your opinion but it would be nice if you can produce your rig specs, nVidia an DCS settings and mission details or track.

I doubt that you can get 70 fps on that specific F14 Instant Action mission when parked at Kandahar.

I'm going to uninstall it for now unless someone from ED can explain why I can get 90 fps as soon as airborne and get a low 27 fps on the ground than, IMHO, breaks immersion. Also is strange that i lose 10/15 fps if i turn my head at 3 or 9 o'clock on the parking slot. Dont' know... I'm not convinced.

It's a terrain map but, unless I set terrain texture to LOW (which is a nonsense for a new map that I would expect be able to exploit new technologies and run better than maps that exist since a decade) is saturates 23GB RAM in my RTX4090. 

In any case, after reducing static objects and setting LOW terrain texture, I was able to taxi. Usual problem with ATC (but I've made a reason by now).
I wait my wingman to allign at my "side" (lets say so). Full afterburner (forced to do so because Wingman rolls on the tarmac with FULL AB which he shouldn't 'cause F14 doesn't require to do so).

I'll get back to what I was satisfactory doing before trying AF map and wait and see if there will be a trial period for Iraq.
Cheers

i7 30gb ram 4090 24gb vid

[TBarina]

6 hours ago, dogsbody59 said:

i7 30gb ram 4090 24gb vid

Thanks. Are u using VR or 2D 1080 or what? What is you resolution?

In the meantime I'm playing with some Moose .lua scripts to flood Kobuleti and  Kandahar with some 100 planes and helicopters.
Actually the 2 maps behave in a similar way.

As I suspected the culprit is probably not the terrain but that specific F-14 Instant Action mission: F-14B-Cold Start Afghanistan

[brettt777]

On 3/6/2025 at 7:48 PM, SharpeXB said:

Sorry to say but your CPU just looks outdated. I had a 4790K that worked well for many years but it just began to struggle with newer maps like Syria and such. It’s probably time for an upgrade or to reduce your settings. 

Oh, I guess I need to update my profile. The 4790K left a long time ago.

 

[dogsbody59]

On 3/8/2025 at 10:30 PM, TBarina said:

Thanks. Are u using VR or 2D 1080 or what? What is you resolution?

In the meantime I'm playing with some Moose .lua scripts to flood Kobuleti and  Kandahar with some 100 planes and helicopters.
Actually the 2 maps behave in a similar way.

As I suspected the culprit is probably not the terrain but that specific F-14 Instant Action mission: F-14B-Cold Start Afghanistan

sorry for late reply.......no VR just headtracker.........my res is 3440 x 1440

Hope this helps

[Gambit21]

I had to drop my settings to medium. High settings that Syria runs flawlessly on (I'm talking full, complex mission builds) are a non-starter with Afghanistan for me currently.

I'm sure optimizations will come and this will change. 

I'm very happy with how it's shaping up...it's beautiful. Just needs to perform better now.

 

 

[EricJ]

That's good to know as I plan on purchasing this map in the future.

[MemphisBelle]

the overall map performance is definitely bad. It does not result much in FPS, once everything is loaded it runs fine with acceptable FPS. The main issue are the extreme long loading times and the time required to leave the map, especially when in the Editor, it takes ages until the map finally returns to the Editor. My guess is that the file size is extremely large. It's more than 100GB of file size. I don't think that this will significantly change much, but it would help a lot.