Callsign.Vega Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 I have a question about the future DCS series. Right now the only study simulators are DCS: Black Shark and the Falcon 4.0 variants from what I've seen. So far everything in the DCS lineup and future lineup are all air to ground combat aircraft. The KA-50, A-10C and AH-64. Are there no plans for a study Air to Air aircraft? Something like the SU-27/Mig-29 or Western comparable? Does Eagle Dynamics think that this niche is already filled by Lock-On or Falcon 4.0/derivatives so that a study Air to Air sim is not needed? Lock-On and it's jets are OK as a survey sim but I do not think no where near as realistic as the DCS series. I think a study Air to Air DCS title with one aircraft would be great instead of something like the AH-64. Also, bring on a Dynamic campaign! The A-10C sounds great but I think the AH-64 has been done to death, anyone else like me prefer an air combat jet as the third DCS title? GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) If you see the initial announcements for DCS you will see that there are indeed candidates for AA fighters. Its just that ED hasnt established the order of the modules release yet. That, and the fact that plans may change. The Apache now seems to be low probability to be next. Possibly your long awayted jet has found a window of opportunity to be next. :) Edited August 30, 2009 by Pilotasso [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-fox- Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 I'd love to see a multirole or air-superiority fighter after the the A-10C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
element1108 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 I have a question about the future DCS series. Right now the only study simulators are DCS: Black Shark and the Falcon 4.0 variants from what I've seen. So far everything in the DCS lineup and future lineup are all air to ground combat aircraft. The KA-50, A-10C and AH-64. Are there no plans for a study Air to Air aircraft? Something like the SU-27/Mig-29 or Western comparable? Does Eagle Dynamics think that this niche is already filled by Lock-On or Falcon 4.0/derivatives so that a study Air to Air sim is not needed? Lock-On and it's jets are OK as a survey sim but I do not think no where near as realistic as the DCS series. I think a study Air to Air DCS title with one aircraft would be great instead of something like the AH-64. Also, bring on a Dynamic campaign! The A-10C sounds great but I think the AH-64 has been done to death, anyone else like me prefer an air combat jet as the third DCS title? AH-64 hasn't ever been done the way DCS will do it you can be sure of it. We're still eagerly awaiting information regarding the A-10 and that's suppose to come at Christmas (information, not the module) so anything after that is totally up in the air as of yet. I'm also pretty certain modules are connected to military contracts? So if DCS gets commissioned to do an Apache Module then that's what the commercial world will most likely see before any Air to Air dedi. As I said, I'm awaiting any and all information on the HOG :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 I am looking forward to the A-10C, but the AH64 pretty much does the same mission as the KA-50 albeit with more capability. Not to mention you run into the whole required two pilot conundrum. I'd like a DCS based off of a current single seat air superiority fighter or multi-role fighter like fox mentioned above. East or West doesn't matter. Obviously stay away from the super high tech beyond visual range only type fighters like the F-22 and F-35. Those aircraft could not be accurately modeled anyways as you would have no data. That brings me to a question about the A-10C. Obviously Eagle Dynamics worked with Kamov to get such stellar flight model and avionics with the KA-50. Does Eagle Dynamics have any kind of solid flight and avionics data for the Thunderbolt II? Obviously since Fairchild-Republic does not exist anymore and the A-10 being relatively old and simple, maybe this data is not classified and/or is widely available. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 They done the Desk top trainer thingy for the A10c.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 NEXT GEN Jane's Longbow 2 FTW (DCS Apache) 1 find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Su-27 FTW [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 ED provided the A-10C desktop training simulator for the US Air National Guard. This is where they got their information from. That brings me to a question about the A-10C. Obviously Eagle Dynamics worked with Kamov to get such stellar flight model and avionics with the KA-50. Does Eagle Dynamics have any kind of solid flight and avionics data for the Thunderbolt II? Obviously since Fairchild-Republic does not exist anymore and the A-10 being relatively old and simple, maybe this data is not classified and/or is widely available. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino4 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Can't wait for an f-16. The lack of being able to use trackir and click around in the pit at the same time was a game killer for me. I didn't mind the graphics, but I thought it was stupid to have to press 3 or 4 buttons just to look at the panel you want to click and then another button to get back in trackir mode. Multi-role FTW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed_2 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I'd freaking KILL someone for DCS F-15E! There's your multirole... and you get the pilot-copilot/weapons officer interaction in multiplayer too! Think how fun it would be to have a human pilot flying the plane, and a human copilot manually steering the AGM-130 through a window of the target building using the datalink! Heck, I'd pay $500 for a game like that... arrogant, realism-obsessed Falcon 4 junkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Can't wait for an f-16. The lack of being able to use trackir and click around in the pit at the same time was a game killer for me. I didn't mind the graphics, but I thought it was stupid to have to press 3 or 4 buttons just to look at the panel you want to click and then another button to get back in trackir mode. Multi-role FTW... Ya, I was trying to get back into Falcon 4 when I heard about DCS: Black Shark. Sim's have come a long way in the regard of interacting with the cockpit. Being able to have 6 DOF with TrackIR and look around so smoothly and click all the switches at 2560x1600 resolution on my 30" monitor is awesome. Being a real military helicopter pilot I like to change it up a bit and generally like to fly jet simulators, but Black Shark seems so great I will give it a try. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Despite popular belief to the contrary, F-15E's are not multirole - they are A2G aircraft with self-escort capability ... if you really want it as a very capable A2A aircraft,you need to strip it off of everything that makes it an A2G aircraft. The pods, the CFT's, everything. ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikoyan Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 WHAT I WANT IS AN SU-27 MODELED LIKE IN BLACKSHARK!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed_2 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 (edited) Despite popular belief to the contrary, F-15E's are not multirole - they are A2G aircraft with self-escort capability ... if you really want it as a very capable A2A aircraft,you need to strip it off of everything that makes it an A2G aircraft. The pods, the CFT's, everything. ;) Oh I know they are not technically multirole... but they do have the AA capability that the F-15 has. The reason they are not multirole is the air force doesn't want them to do multirole. But- us players are NOT the air force. So while in RL the only tasking they ever get is air to ground, we can play them in DCS as multirole aircraft. The F-15E would just be the perfect DCS add on as it has both awesome ground pounding and air superiority performance, AND the front seater/back seater interaction that would be so overwhelmingly kick @$$ in multiplayer. Edited August 31, 2009 by Speed_2 arrogant, realism-obsessed Falcon 4 junkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 WHAT I WANT IS AN SU-27 MODELED LIKE IN BLACKSHARK!!!! Make it so..:joystick: GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 USAF tasking is one thing - the problem arises in that you cannot have it do effective A2A while it's carrying it's a2g stuff. This means the CFT's, and anything that's strapped to them. In short, if you want to do A2A well, you must completely get rid of the A2G stuff on that plane. Until you do so, it's a pig, and pigs are at a disadvantage in BVR as well as WVR. Oh I know they are not technically multirole... but they do have the AA capability that the F-15 has. The reason they are not multirole is the air force doesn't want them to do multirole. But- us players are NOT the air force. So while in RL the only tasking they ever get is air to ground, we can play them in DCS as multirole aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Ya, F-15E not a good idea. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I wouldn't say that necessarily. I like the F-15E myself. It's just the application of multirole that's often used incorrectly IMHO. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikoyan Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 WHAT I WANT IS A MIG-29S MODELED LIKE IN BLACK SHARK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikoyan Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 WHAT I WHAT IS AN F-15C MODELED LIKE IN BLACK SHARK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 ED provided the A-10C desktop training simulator for the US Air National Guard. This is where they got their information from. Is there any way for civilians to get their hands on this simulator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Sort of. Wait for DCS A-10C ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Oooh :] I'm excited now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vrv Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 DCS: C130 Problem Solved. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] EtherealN: I will promptly perform a sex change and offer my hand in marriage to whomever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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