DCS A10?

[Luse]

:megalol::megalol::megalol:

 

Seems we have a comedian on the fourms here folks.

 

John if that was so, where is your i.a.r.-93/j-22 orao, its been worked on since june ?

[Boberro]

Johny :gun_rifle::inv:

 

Maybe release date compared to previous thinks seems a bit long way, however it is not piece of cake to do game. Release times are not quite fast, we can only hope it will change in future. Nothing more...

 

Hope you didn't think DCS add-ons will be produced like The Sims addons: Sims Dogs, 1 months later Sims Cats, later Sims Baby and so on :shocking:

Edited September 19, 2009 by Boberro

[Hunt3r.j2]

did you hear or read when it'll be released? the earlier in 2010.

what is this? 1 mod in 1 year? so, i suppose that in the next 12 years we will have the entire game finished. i really dont know what team they have or how many days in week they work on it but, seems to be really slow.

i dont want to criticise them but they make me do it. i mean this is their job. is not a part time job or modelling in their free time. i'll probably be too old to play this sim in the future.it seems im a lockon generation...

sorry for the hard words, but when i saw the screens i thought they'll release the mod in max 1 month.it seems we have to wait at least 4 months for a plane that looks pretty finished...

 

i could make a bet with dcs team: i bet i could finish a mod faster and as good as theirs, working alone. 3d and textures too...

Well let's see. I'm about 13 years old (yes, you have a little kiddo here), and assuming 12 years, I'll be 25 once they supposedly finish DCS.

 

Seems good enough, It takes about a year or so to really learn the Ka-50 like the back of your hand.

[Boberro]

Well let's see. I'm about 13 years old (yes, you have a little kiddo here), and assuming 12 years, I'll be 25 once they supposedly finish DCS.

 

Seems good enough, It takes about a year or so to really learn the Ka-50 like the back of your hand.

 

Worse for ppl who are 65+ :P

[joey45]

:megalol::megalol::megalol:

 

Seems we have a comedian on the fourms here folks.

 

John if that was so, where is your i.a.r.-93/j-22 orao, its been worked on since june ?

 

I think he's fine tunning the AFM and VC...;)

[Luse]

Oh yea, I forgot !!!

 

Oh and he made that bet, and he lost it.

 

How much was the bet guys ?

[john_X]

i didnt work at my mod for a long time. i work on it rarely, even im not paid to do it and i work alone not in a team. that answer is for those who laugh of my workin stile. but if money involved, i can finish it very fast....

 

i dont know why should it last that long if the engine of the game is already done... someone said something about research.for how long? i think that 1-2 months of research for 1 plane should be enough.and after that another month for building it.lets say 3 months for 1 mod...but they force the release for many, many months and even now we still have to wait for it at least 4 months... someone said in june that they'll release 1 plane per month. they are very far of that performance...

 

am i the only one who thinks they work extremely slow? if the cadence remains the same those 12 years appear very realistic...dont forget that the game isnt built from the beggining its just improved...

 

and for that one who called me a comedian... im sure you think im a comedian. will u play my mod? will u play a comedians mod

its under your dignity to play o mod like that...?well, if you play it you should better shut up instead laughin of me...i cant say more because i have an advertisment here, but you desirve much more!!

Edited September 20, 2009 by john_X

[GGTharos]

You're one of the few who think they know something actually do not. ;)

 

am i the only one who thinks they work extremely slow?

[joey45]

You can't knock out a study sim that quickly and easily. They probaly started their research for the Apache last year. Was gonna say the A-10c but they got tha info on a plater. The ED team are doing a fine job, with all their other contracts and stuff.

 

p.s. John mate, do a games design course at your local college and see how hard it is to make a normal game let alone a study sim at the standerd of BS.

Edited September 20, 2009 by joey45

[john_X]

i do not know many things, thats true. but i dont need to know something to observe some obvious things for any simple man. and all i see are some not respected promises.thats easy to see. i know its a lot of work to do because i have some friends working in this domain. but giving a term and not respecting it at all is one other thing.

 

now, i hope the things that last so much are not about 3d modellin and texturing....because if this is the reason im too right...lets say you have other reasons...the too long time still remains...it will take a long time until the finish as long as i never seen before...

 

and i never said i know something even i know. i also know that many of talking people here only know how to play a sim...and thats less than i know

[Deadman]

Well John X it seams your not to happy with ED or their way of doing things.You also seam to enjoy just irritating people here or tying to. If you wish to stay on the form you may wish to try a diffrent way of dealing with people or you may just choose to leave .On the other hand we may just choose to ignore you instead of engaging in a dialogue.

[Luse]

There are alot of other factors, much more than modeling, there's Advanced Physics, Weapons radar, that are being built into each of these modules, so once you get your degree in physics and a couple other things.

 

I look forward to flying your sim

 

EDIT: John I am not trying to sound harsh, I just think its very foolish to say you can create your Own sim, as high fidelity as the DCS Series in a shorter time.

Edited September 20, 2009 by Luse

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

John X - I've worked in software development for 25+ years, working on military radars, Air Traffic, military Comms etc. I've worked on project sizes ranging from a couple of man years to 400+ man years. I've worked at all levels from being a code monkey to being a senior requirements and design guy.

 

The standards that are acceptable for the Games / Sims industry are nowhere near the same as those that the military, the FAA or CAA expect, nevertheless for any non-trivial software development there is a basic level that needs to be done. To do the background research, write the requirement specs, do the design, write and review the code, test, bug fix and retest to a standard that is good enough to release takes far, far longer than you imagine. Even if what you are doing is modifying or adding to an existing product.

[Aeroscout]

I don't know if you play any console games, but if you do, just look at the staff credits in the end. You will lose count of the number of people it takes to creater a CONSOLE game. If i had to guess, it would be near the thousands mark. Now let's consider there are only 12 or so on the ED team. Does that put it in perspective? I know nothing about game development (I'm only begining computer science) but I do know there's a sh*t load of work involved. Such disrespect is not going to get you anywhere.

 

Keep up the great work ED! Really looking forward to a fixed wing!

[BrumTx]

John X,

All you ever seem to do is moan and disrespect other people's mods, try making something from scratch that need's integrating into a program already built, believe me it's not as " easy " as YOU seem to think. I come to this website to learn from other people not to complain at every mod that's listed on this site . I don't know if ED's Team is full time or not, but what I do know is they produce a wonderful game, be it FC or DCS, we all want or would like add-on's every month but as a modder ( not Aircraft for FC, see previous discussion with John x ) I know that's not feasable. I'll bet there is at least 2000+ man hours already in the basic DCS.

 

As for your ' mod ', when and if it ever comes out then I'm sure people will play it, but be prepared for the same criticism you have given other people on this forum.

One last comment:

It's time now to put up or shut up, by that I mean let's see your Mod or stop complaining about everyone else.

As already stated earlier in this post I come here to learn and enjoy reading other post's but when I see all your negative post's on the forum it spoils my time here. I would respectfully suggest when you have learnt a little more about the subject then you may comment.

 

As regarding " empty promises " when is your mod coming out ???

Edited September 20, 2009 by BrumTx

[jerom1992]

This is like one vs. everyone else....

 

Sorry John, I am also on the everyone else side:smartass:

[CyBerkut]

i dont know why should it last that long if the engine of the game is already done... someone said something about research.for how long? i think that 1-2 months of research for 1 plane should be enough.and after that another month for building it.lets say 3 months for 1 mod...but they force the release for many, many months and even now we still have to wait for it at least 4 months... someone said in june that they'll release 1 plane per month. they are very far of that performance...

 

"Someone" ? Who? It certainly wasn't anyone from E.D. !!! Can you point to the message / quote?

 

am i the only one who thinks they work extremely slow? if the cadence remains the same those 12 years appear very realistic...dont forget that the game isnt built from the beggining its just improved...

 

It's not "just improved". You are talking a completely different flight model, different weapons, different avionics, etc.

 

A little perspective is in order here. Those of us on the outside don't see the day-to-day nuts and bolts work that is going on to accomplish this job. Is it taking a lot of time? Sure. Is it an unreasonable amount of time? I don't think so, and clearly many others on here do not think so either. Why? Well, a lot of us have purchased many software products over the years, and we've suffered through using software that was not really ready for prime time. The 'kick it out the door, and then we'll patch the problems that the users b!tch about" approach has been particularly rampant in some sectors of gaming software. Some publishers may be able to get away with that, especially in twitchy games primarily for kids... but consumers in the study sim genre tend to be of a more mature mindset. For the most part, they earned the dollars spent on the software with their own hard work... it didn't come to them as an allowance or gift. Two things naturally flow out of that: 1. They understand and appreciate that a lot of work goes into creating something worthwhile. 2. They expect good value for their money.

 

Review after review demonstrated one remarkable thing about DCS:BS, either by the authors direct statement, or by their lack of complaint... DCS:BS was a very polished product at its initial release. There were very few "bugs", especially in light of what a complex program it is. That doesn't happen by mere chance, and it doesn't fall down out of the heavens on a golden platter carried by angels. It is the result of hard work, attention to detail, and responsiveness to testers.

 

There is an old saying, "It's better to have it right, than to have it quickly." It's not true for everything, but most of us would agree that it's true for study sim software. I, for one, am very glad that E.D. appears to embrace it.

[104th_Crunch]

Sorry Johnx. When I read this thread I have to agree. Complaining is never appreciated. Constructive criticism is always welcomed.

 

If you don't like what going on then:

a) give constructive criticism

b) do it yourself

c) keep quiet

 

Complaining will get you nowhere. This is a free market. No one is forcing you to wait for DCS products.

[john_X]

this is my last post here. i had some interesting stuff, new mods to be released but now are cancelled.ill release the orao mod because its a promise for some guys.

 

i never seen in my life such a hypocrisy like it is here ... it seems most of you prefere the lies.too many frustrated persons here.too few persons to have the common sence to answer to the things i said in a objective way.all the others that took it personally are too low.

 

have a nice life

[BrumTx]

[quote=john_X;

have a nice life

 

I have had and hopefully always will have a Nice Life however long it will be. No doubt along with many other people here.

 

If your comment was not so caustic I would thank you but I am sure no doubt, other's will :D

 

Anyone have the song from WW1 GoodByeeeeeee GoodByeeeeeeeeeeeee

Edited September 20, 2009 by BrumTx

[159th_Viper]

.....i never seen in my life such a hypocrisy like it is here ... it seems most of you prefere the lies.too many frustrated persons here.too few persons to have the common sence to answer to the things i said in a objective way......

 

 

You shot your Mouth off and then, when Called on it, could not Deliver........Now we're all Hypocrites and Frustrated Individuals :megalol:

 

Sorry M8, but that's not the way the Cookie Crumbles.......If you Talk the Talk, you Sure as Hell gotta be prepared to Walk the Walk, otherwise you're just Cruisin' for a Bruisin'......That's Life ;)

 

Me - No Hard Feelings, M8 :)

[E61-v1T1]

I am really surprised to see, as once again we ended absorbed by what he says or does mean Mr. John_X, I think we are giving much importance to his opinion, and consequently, the main theme of the thread is lost.

 

And he is not the first time ...

 

Please return to the topic! it's time!! :thumbup:

[BrumTx]

I agree E61 but sometimes thing's have to be addressed.

As you said he is not the first one and I have no doubt he won't be the last one.

[Deadman]

You guys are all to kind to this kid with his Ross Perot complex.He bitches about how messed up things are and when it comes time to do something he just disappears.:music_whistling: But before he goes he has to tell us how screwed up we all are. Well John X your are the man. I can't believe how blind we all are not to bow down to your superior intellect. You truly have a superior understanding of all that pertains to Eagle dynamics. Oh and bye don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave:thumbup:

Edited September 20, 2009 by Deadman

[joey45]

Don't slam the door on the way out...