bird ingestion in FC 2.0??

[Nate--IRL--]

I saw a documententary about Rolls Royce testing procedures. They shoot a large chicken carcase at speed into the engine, and it should have no effect on the engine.

Not certain about a thanksgiving turkey!

 

 

Nate

[EvilBivol-1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2OS2pwrZTI&feature=related

 

And a counter-example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jN0bqL9cM0&feature=fvw

Edited November 26, 2009 by EvilBivol-1

[104th_Crunch]

Yo-Yo put it this way: flying at 10 meters, you are likely to hit a bird once out of every three flights of 150-200 km.

 

Like you could safely fly at 10M for an extended time anyway in real life at any fast speed anyway, but that is another topic...

[159th_Viper]

Like you could safely fly at 10M for an extended time anyway in real life at any fast speed anyway.......

 

The French will definitely disagree......:D

[104th_Crunch]

^^^^ Yeah, I know, the vids of the low flying Mirages over the sea. So, I guess if the weather is right over the sea, and the plane is perhaps designed for it. I just don't see it happening much over terrain that has trees etc., and I really don't think in RL it would be as easy to do as it it is in LO.

[159th_Viper]

^^^^ Yeah, I know, the vids of the low flying Mirages over the sea. So, I guess if the weather is right over the sea, and the plane is perhaps designed for it. I just don't see it happening much over terrain that has trees etc., and I really don't think in RL it would be as easy to do as it it is in LO.

 

Watch the 'Wild Fly' series - French Nutters in Chad - Treetop level and Below :thumbup:

 

 

[104th_Crunch]

Awesome video Viper! While there is some extreme low flying there, I doubt that they are flying under 10 meters for extended periods of times like you can in Lock On.

 

Either way, I am thinking more about the players in LO who fly under 10 meters to avoid being shot by other player radar missiles. I know this issue has been beaten to death, but I just wish there was a bit more than the announced bird strike to alleviate this problem. Something more akin to LRM's lose radar lock when under 10 meters.

[159th_Falcon]

Like you could safely fly at 10M for an extended time anyway in real life at any fast speed anyway, but that is another topic...

If i am correct the Tornado strike aircraft has specificly been designed to carry out low and fast flying missions in order to take out enemy airfield while flying under there radar.

Not sure if they fly at or below 10m but its very low at speeds in excess of 700km/h

[GGTharos]

Nowhere near 10m, unless it is for a short stretch.

[Eddie]

If i am correct the Tornado strike aircraft has specificly been designed to carry out low and fast flying missions in order to take out enemy airfield while flying under there radar.

Not sure if they fly at or below 10m but its very low at speeds in excess of 700km/h

 

These days they spend most of their time at high/medium level, but they do indeed train for low level strikes. 10m is however a bit too low, on average 200-100ft is more like it. Of course in places like Iraq during desert storm the flat terrain meant they could get down to around 50ft at times, but it take some balls to get down that low when you're moving at 500+ knots.

[BrumTx]

I remember when I was in Tchad and D'jibouti we would be out in the middle of no-where and then get a radio message that a C-160 Transall would be dropping supplies to us, this meant that the Mirages would be running as escort aircraft, I think everyone who had a camera of any kind got them out of their sacks and waited for the low passes.

 

Somewhere there is a video of a Mirage flying just above tree height in South America that makes the above you tube vid look high, you can see the tree's foliage parting as it flies over the tree tops

Edited November 27, 2009 by BrumTx

[Moa]

According to this wikipedia article describing the Israeli airstrike on the Iraqi Osirak reactor (which the Israelis concluded was just about to begin plutonium production for nuclear weapons) the F16s flew along the desert at 30m. I believe this was considered insanely low and was not performed for the whole flght (other segments being at 800 feet and 12,200 m)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

 

ps. Any flying below 500 feet is considered low flying and is restricted to specially designated areas in peacetime. There are a lot of cables, towers, buildings, trees and other stuff that can kill you low down and that is not even taking into account effects like microcell downbursts etc which would ruin your day and the extreme turbulence at the surface boundary layer (which is very fatiguing on pilots).

[104th_Crunch]

Like what has been mentioned, the Tornado is desegined to fly low. There is a great episode of the Candian show 'Jetstream' where cadets train to fly at 300 ft and 400 knots. In the video you see the F-18's wings flex up and down wildly. They talk about wild turbulence down low and flying "inside your fear of death range" haha.

Edited November 28, 2009 by Crunch

[Vekkinho]

According to this wikipedia article describing the Israeli airstrike on the Iraqi Osirak reactor (which the Israelis concluded was just about to begin plutonium production for nuclear weapons) the F16s flew along the desert at 30m. I believe this was considered insanely low and was not performed for the whole flght (other segments being at 800 feet and 12,200 m)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

 

 

Low level ingress flight was probably performed only within Iraqi radar coverage, I remember them landing on fumes so flying at 30ft throughout the mission is (IMO) out of question.

(There's not too many birds in desert so 30m may make sense here...snakes and scorpios seem a bigger threat)

 

On the other hand Israelis can land F-15I with one wing...not like anybody else so it wouldn't surprise me they'd be capable of 30m for 2500km!

[Vekkinho]

Not only ingestion is the problem, check the livery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-OtoMVBnoE&feature=related

 

Windshield of a AN-72:

Edited November 28, 2009 by Vekkinho

[monotwix]

Even self respecting birds like goose and ducks usually fly above 10m.

 

In formation.

[159th_Viper]

Even self respecting birds like goose and ducks usually fly above 10m.......

 

Indeed - It's the 'Getting To' the desired altitude that's the Bugger......:D

[BrumTx]

Pesky Canada Geese

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

Watch the 'Wild Fly' series - French Nutters in Chad - Treetop level and Below :thumbup:

 

That one is still one of my favourites.

 

Watching it always puts me in a dilemma of......

Do I fire up Lockon and do some low level flying or

Do I get on the decks and mix some bangin' techno?

[Bucic]

Not only ingestion is the problem, check the livery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-OtoMVBnoE&feature=related

 

Windshield of a AN-72:

 

The bird clearly flies with intention to intercept the poor pig! :D

[71st_Mastiff]

I just ingested a bird on thursday... :lol:

[topol-m]

^^^ An ostrich maybe? :P

[BrumTx]

@ GF............. Maybe a Turkey ? lol

[Vibora]

No. It's a probabilistic simulation. You don't see them coming in RL anyway, you'll usually see the close call in a HUD tape or something.

 

As such there's no point in wasting CPU resources to simulate the 3d object.

 

That's not quite right, you can see a bird coming in RL. In fact, you will see them most of the times, and even will be able to make an evasive maneuver if you are at low speed for example during landing.

[GGTharos]

We're talking about high speed treks across the country - I don't think you'll have bird issues near the runways, TBH.

 

That's not quite right, you can see a bird coming in RL. In fact, you will see them most of the times, and even will be able to make an evasive maneuver if you are at low speed for example during landing.