Nate--IRL-- Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 I saw a documententary about Rolls Royce testing procedures. They shoot a large chicken carcase at speed into the engine, and it should have no effect on the engine. Not certain about a thanksgiving turkey! Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilBivol-1 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2OS2pwrZTI&feature=related And a counter-example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jN0bqL9cM0&feature=fvw Edited November 26, 2009 by EvilBivol-1 - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Crunch Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Yo-Yo put it this way: flying at 10 meters, you are likely to hit a bird once out of every three flights of 150-200 km. Like you could safely fly at 10M for an extended time anyway in real life at any fast speed anyway, but that is another topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Like you could safely fly at 10M for an extended time anyway in real life at any fast speed anyway....... The French will definitely disagree......:D Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Crunch Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 ^^^^ Yeah, I know, the vids of the low flying Mirages over the sea. So, I guess if the weather is right over the sea, and the plane is perhaps designed for it. I just don't see it happening much over terrain that has trees etc., and I really don't think in RL it would be as easy to do as it it is in LO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 ^^^^ Yeah, I know, the vids of the low flying Mirages over the sea. So, I guess if the weather is right over the sea, and the plane is perhaps designed for it. I just don't see it happening much over terrain that has trees etc., and I really don't think in RL it would be as easy to do as it it is in LO. Watch the 'Wild Fly' series - French Nutters in Chad - Treetop level and Below :thumbup: Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Crunch Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Awesome video Viper! While there is some extreme low flying there, I doubt that they are flying under 10 meters for extended periods of times like you can in Lock On. Either way, I am thinking more about the players in LO who fly under 10 meters to avoid being shot by other player radar missiles. I know this issue has been beaten to death, but I just wish there was a bit more than the announced bird strike to alleviate this problem. Something more akin to LRM's lose radar lock when under 10 meters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Like you could safely fly at 10M for an extended time anyway in real life at any fast speed anyway, but that is another topic... If i am correct the Tornado strike aircraft has specificly been designed to carry out low and fast flying missions in order to take out enemy airfield while flying under there radar. Not sure if they fly at or below 10m but its very low at speeds in excess of 700km/h [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Nowhere near 10m, unless it is for a short stretch. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 If i am correct the Tornado strike aircraft has specificly been designed to carry out low and fast flying missions in order to take out enemy airfield while flying under there radar. Not sure if they fly at or below 10m but its very low at speeds in excess of 700km/h These days they spend most of their time at high/medium level, but they do indeed train for low level strikes. 10m is however a bit too low, on average 200-100ft is more like it. Of course in places like Iraq during desert storm the flat terrain meant they could get down to around 50ft at times, but it take some balls to get down that low when you're moving at 500+ knots. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrumTx Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) I remember when I was in Tchad and D'jibouti we would be out in the middle of no-where and then get a radio message that a C-160 Transall would be dropping supplies to us, this meant that the Mirages would be running as escort aircraft, I think everyone who had a camera of any kind got them out of their sacks and waited for the low passes. Somewhere there is a video of a Mirage flying just above tree height in South America that makes the above you tube vid look high, you can see the tree's foliage parting as it flies over the tree tops Edited November 27, 2009 by BrumTx Remember the 346 Fire Fighters, Medics & Police who died on 9-11....... Selective memory is a wonderful thing, especially when certain posts simply disappear into the ether never to be seen again, unless I have a copy of the original post copied and pasted into word documents and saved .... just in case :) Am I an abusive idiot ? Due to physical incapacity my Wife types my post's for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moa Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 According to this wikipedia article describing the Israeli airstrike on the Iraqi Osirak reactor (which the Israelis concluded was just about to begin plutonium production for nuclear weapons) the F16s flew along the desert at 30m. I believe this was considered insanely low and was not performed for the whole flght (other segments being at 800 feet and 12,200 m) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera ps. Any flying below 500 feet is considered low flying and is restricted to specially designated areas in peacetime. There are a lot of cables, towers, buildings, trees and other stuff that can kill you low down and that is not even taking into account effects like microcell downbursts etc which would ruin your day and the extreme turbulence at the surface boundary layer (which is very fatiguing on pilots). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Crunch Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Like what has been mentioned, the Tornado is desegined to fly low. There is a great episode of the Candian show 'Jetstream' where cadets train to fly at 300 ft and 400 knots. In the video you see the F-18's wings flex up and down wildly. They talk about wild turbulence down low and flying "inside your fear of death range" haha. Edited November 28, 2009 by Crunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 According to this wikipedia article describing the Israeli airstrike on the Iraqi Osirak reactor (which the Israelis concluded was just about to begin plutonium production for nuclear weapons) the F16s flew along the desert at 30m. I believe this was considered insanely low and was not performed for the whole flght (other segments being at 800 feet and 12,200 m) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera Low level ingress flight was probably performed only within Iraqi radar coverage, I remember them landing on fumes so flying at 30ft throughout the mission is (IMO) out of question. (There's not too many birds in desert so 30m may make sense here...snakes and scorpios seem a bigger threat) On the other hand Israelis can land F-15I with one wing...not like anybody else so it wouldn't surprise me they'd be capable of 30m for 2500km! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Not only ingestion is the problem, check the livery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-OtoMVBnoE&feature=related Windshield of a AN-72: Edited November 28, 2009 by Vekkinho [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monotwix Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Even self respecting birds like goose and ducks usually fly above 10m. In formation. I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Even self respecting birds like goose and ducks usually fly above 10m....... Indeed - It's the 'Getting To' the desired altitude that's the Bugger......:D Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrumTx Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Pesky Canada Geese Remember the 346 Fire Fighters, Medics & Police who died on 9-11....... Selective memory is a wonderful thing, especially when certain posts simply disappear into the ether never to be seen again, unless I have a copy of the original post copied and pasted into word documents and saved .... just in case :) Am I an abusive idiot ? Due to physical incapacity my Wife types my post's for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit_Radar_Dude Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Watch the 'Wild Fly' series - French Nutters in Chad - Treetop level and Below :thumbup: That one is still one of my favourites. Watching it always puts me in a dilemma of...... Do I fire up Lockon and do some low level flying or Do I get on the decks and mix some bangin' techno? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Sorry Death, you lose! It was Professor Plum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucic Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Not only ingestion is the problem, check the livery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-OtoMVBnoE&feature=related Windshield of a AN-72: The bird clearly flies with intention to intercept the poor pig! :D F-4E Phantom module for sale -25% non-Steam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71st_Mastiff Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I just ingested a bird on thursday... :lol: 1 " any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back, " W Forbes "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts," Winston Churchill " He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-64gb PC3200 || MSI RTX 4080S|Game1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus|| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topol-m Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 ^^^ An ostrich maybe? :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrumTx Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 @ GF............. Maybe a Turkey ? lol Remember the 346 Fire Fighters, Medics & Police who died on 9-11....... Selective memory is a wonderful thing, especially when certain posts simply disappear into the ether never to be seen again, unless I have a copy of the original post copied and pasted into word documents and saved .... just in case :) Am I an abusive idiot ? Due to physical incapacity my Wife types my post's for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibora Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 No. It's a probabilistic simulation. You don't see them coming in RL anyway, you'll usually see the close call in a HUD tape or something. As such there's no point in wasting CPU resources to simulate the 3d object. That's not quite right, you can see a bird coming in RL. In fact, you will see them most of the times, and even will be able to make an evasive maneuver if you are at low speed for example during landing. Roberto "Vibora" Seoane Alas Rojas [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 We're talking about high speed treks across the country - I don't think you'll have bird issues near the runways, TBH. That's not quite right, you can see a bird coming in RL. In fact, you will see them most of the times, and even will be able to make an evasive maneuver if you are at low speed for example during landing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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