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[Mr_Burns]

I know this is going to haunt me.....but what is with all the Russian Aircraft in DCS? The first heli sim from DCS was also Russian - is there a reason the aircraft are chosen?

 

Lock-On had only 2 American Aircraft and in Flaming Cliffs 2 there are still only 2. What about some European Aircraft being flyable such as the Gripen, Typhoon, Rafael, Tiger, Lynx, Harrier, Tornado.

 

Any chance for Anti Submarine Warfare with the Nimrod and P-3, suppose you would have to model the sensor stations within these it would be a completely different sim more like the old B-42 Flying Fortress (shudder remembering flying the thing over a bland green country for 2 hours before even crossing the English Channel)

 

Also, are there any missions where ground targets are structures and missions fail if your bombs stray?

[golfsierra2]

Maybe simply because Eagle Dynamics is a russian company, looking at the russian market first ?

[Agg]

As golfsierra said, ED is a Russian company, and they are first and foremost a military contractor so what we get for DCS is based on the military contracts that ED get, for instance the upcoming A-10 module is based on the desktop sim that ED is developing for the ANG. If anyone hires ED to make a, lets say, Typhoon sim then we may get a Typhoon-module for DCS, but otherwise I dont think that will happen. This is the reason why I think ED should open up the floor to third party developers, but I dont see that happening anytime soon either.

[Boberro]

I am for Russian planes in LO more than West (in matter of amount). These are rarely modelled birds soo... Russian have something which magnify me to them, can't express this :D

 

We have F-15 and A-10 which are legends too, I would add to them only F-16 and F-4 Phantom.

Edited March 21, 2010 by Boberro

[EtherealN]

First off: what's wrong with russian jets? They're some of the most proliferated aircraft types in the world and they are made by Eagle Dynamics' countrymen.

 

This is the reason why I think ED should open up the floor to third party developers, but I dont see that happening anytime soon either.

 

This isn't just a question of ED. Eagle Dynamics products use TFCSE ("The Fighter Collection Simulation Engine"), a UK-based company that flies one of the largest collections of warbird restorations in the world and also has a software division. I don't think there would be any serious issues in a "third party developer" licensing either just the TFCSE or both TFCSE and ED's own software - but you need to realize that this would have to go beyond a crew of enthusiasts wanting to spend their free time developing a product. Aside from obvious issues of property security (need to be sure that the underlying technology used for both military and civilian market simulators doesn't get leaked), but to spend the money and time on setting up a licensing agreement both TFC and ED would have to feel sure that the third party has enough money, human resources, and connections to use the technology well - that is, in a way that does not dilute the value of the TFCSE brand.

 

ED and TFC also need to be sure that said licensor wouldn't be taking market share away from them - it is actually possible to lose money through allowing others to license the technology, even if you make sure you get paid royalties.

 

So sadly, while I share the sentiment that more developers doing stuff in this kind of market would be nice, there are severe hurdles that would have to be overcome - and the civilian market for this kind of stuff is very small so it would be difficult for a startup to get enough financial backing to do it in a manner that is safe for their investors. (Example: during it's first month of retail Battlefield: Bad Company 2 is grossing ~140 million dollars (US), and while the team making it was several times the size of ED that does show where the market is right now - no big publisher like EA, Ubisoft or Atari see enough profit to risk the money.)

[Konovalov]

Almost every modern day combat flight sim that I can remember models US aircraft. If it wasn't for the original Flanker series all we would have would be F16's, F15's, AH-64's, A-10's, F117's (F19 game title), F18c and e's and so on. I for one am massively grateful for the Flanker series, Lockon, and the DCS series. Yes, it would be great to get some Euro aircraft but quite frankly I will take what I can get in this day and age.

[Distiler]

Russian simulator developers (Maddox, ED and Neobq) should join forces and develop a nice engine and various simulators around it. Just a thought XD

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Another reason for modelling Russian aircraft: no one else models them properly.

 

Jane's series? Only American planes. Falcon? F-16 - American plane and so on.

 

American devs always make American planes, what's wrong with a Russian dev modelling Russian planes?

 

Another reason for keep making Russian birds: who in Earth is insane enough to make a single-seater attack helicopter with coaxial rotors?! Or a fighter as big as a B-17 and capable of making over 90º of AoA? You have to give 'em credit :D

[159th_Viper]

I know this is going to haunt me.....but what is with all the Russian Aircraft in DCS?....

 

'Cause they Just that Good :thumbup:

 

Take my Trusty T-Toad: Capable of Plinking MBT's with disdain and thereafter givin' an unwittin' Fast-Jet Jockey a Hiding....Yeah - they're Just that Good :D

[ZaltysZ]

I think, it is pretty simple. ED is Russian company, so it is easier for them to model Russian planes, especially if they have contacts in TsAGI.

[Mnemonic]

Next will be A-10C anyway :)

[joey45]

Market ordinance...

 

mainly Russia and the US.. the US wants to fly thier planes and the Russians want to fly thiers... unfornataly the guys in the middle UK and Europe get left out.

 

the only time your gonna fly as the the Brits and the Germans [excluding LO with the mig] is in WW2 games...

Edited March 21, 2010 by joey45

[EtherealN]

...and most americans want to play HAWX. :P

[Mugenjin]

I would even take Lock On UNPATCHED with loads of bugs over HAWX any day, kthanks ^^

[revalence]

It's true that almost 90% of Sims sold in the US use NATO or solely US aircraft. Lock On and DCS is somewhat a tremendous change to the market because of the aircraft content and also the realism. And I also agree, I would pay for a basic Lock On with bugs and such over Ace Combat or HAWX anyday.

 

 

Good flying never killed [an enemy] yet.

— Major Edward 'Mick' Mannock, RAF, ranking British Empire fighter ace of W.W. I. 61 victories.

[joey45]

It's true that almost 90% of Sims sold in the US use NATO or solely US aircraft.

 

name them... and out of those how many NATO, non US, planes are plyable??

[EtherealN]

I suspect a case of 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot. :D

[Mugenjin]

pff, pretty much any statistic is faked/manipulated/made up ^^

[71st_Mastiff]

TFCSE ("The Fighter Collection Simulation Engine"),

 

I would like to see those ground units, be capable of being manned by players and a whole Combined arms Co-Op being developed for play or head to head..

 

i.e you can fly, drive, forward observation, Bomb, strafe, blow up, advance, shoot down your buddy on the other side flying in a SU25t or 25, with any thing that is in the sim.

 

This sim has very large capabilities? Yes no?

[Total]

It all depends on the technical data they can get their hands on.

[digital_steve]

I would even take Lock On UNPATCHED with loads of bugs over HAWX any day, kthanks ^^

 

C'mon! HAWX was damn good fun for what it was; an arcadey/console flight action game. It wasn't trying to be a sim!

[104th_Crunch]

C'mon! HAWX was damn good fun for what it was; an arcadey/console flight action game. It wasn't trying to be a sim!

 

I don't agree. If you take Lock On and set everything to easy, you have a simulator that is just as easy as HAWK with WAY more depth. I am not sure if there is way, but it would be nice if LOFC 2 sold to the same people that would buy HAWX and we have even more people playing LO. Even if they are playing on easy settings.

 

The subject of this thread imo is just silly. To want a game about politics that has something from the country you live is one thing, but if you are a true aviation enthusiast, you will enjoy simming with any well modelled aircraft, regardless of country. Are you into politics or aviation?

[Total]

The subject of this thread imo is just silly. To want a game about politics that has something from the country you live is one thing, but if you are a true aviation enthusiast, you will enjoy simming with any well modelled aircraft, regardless of country. Are you into politics or aviation?

 

I agree and disagree with you.

 

I, personally, would like to see well modeled aircraft from more than just the US and Soviet sides. The ALA Mirage F-1 (or 2000) and the RAF Harrier for starters.

 

Politics can be created in the mission editor for any scenario. If done correctly, even fictional politics can be immersive. It's not like there's a mass of dogfights going on in the real world :)

[104th_Crunch]

Good point Total,

Keep in mind, for now on we will see (HOPEFULLY!) only hi-fi modelled planes for the DCS series like the KA-50. That means we won't get a group of jets at the same time it seems. So most likely we will only get 1 jet at a time.

 

My vote is for the F/A-18 as I have stated many times in these forums. Not because it is a US jet, but because it offers a wide range of operations, A2A, A2G and carrier ops.

 

cheers

[T-Bone]

How about the Mirage 2000 instead of the F-16 or F/A-18? It would be a nice change of pace from US/Russian fighters.