Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[nomdeplume]

Why is the FB-111 not on the list?

 

Because it's a silly list? Regardless, who's going to issue a contract for an F-111 training tool? Even we don't use it anymore...

[joey45]

Tomcat sucks so much that it was phased out of the real navy.

 

Thought it was because it was too old with high maintenance costs and what not...

[Frazer]

It was Strike Commander.

 

Strike Commander, my first love! :D

[revalence]

Strike Commander, my first love! :D

 

 

Haha! I remember playing that when I was a kid!!!

[Dr_Arrow]

Well my hopes for high fidelity MiG-29 A/C/SMT or Su-27 variants are gone ...

[Raven68]

Personally I would prefer to see F-18 or F-16. ED is long overdue for a US dual role aircraft. As much as I love the F-15, I would prefer ED to go another route unless it's the Strike Eagle version. Come to think about it now I would make a hard push for the F-18. Carrier ops would be very cool to see.

[71st_Mastiff]

lol Strike Commander music reminds me of the old porn music days. lol

[slowhand]

That was a great game..the best was fly'n the canyon..:beer:

[Krebs20]

He never said fixed wing US with a pilot.

 

http://WWW.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator

[hog_driver111th]

In thinking about the next aircraft, whether it's the F-15, F-16, or F18, I hope it can have a 2 seat version to at least give the capability of training new pilots to flying or DCS sims. Maybe making a single and two seat version of whatever comes out (F-15C/E, F-16C/D, F-18E/F), that will allow for both types to be in a mission, and pilots can choose to fly alone or with someone in the 2 seater.

[element1108]

In thinking about the next aircraft, whether it's the F-15, F-16, or F18, I hope it can have a 2 seat version to at least give the capability of training new pilots to flying or DCS sims. Maybe making a single and two seat version of whatever comes out (F-15C/E, F-16C/D, F-18E/F), that will allow for both types to be in a mission, and pilots can choose to fly alone or with someone in the 2 seater.

 

That would be cool, although i can imagine it would delay the release because you'll have to put a bunch more work into it. No doubt it's possible...it really sucks not having any close RL friends who are into this as much as me. I've tried...to no avail :(

[HerrKaputt]

In thinking about the next aircraft, whether it's the F-15, F-16, or F18, I hope it can have a 2 seat version to at least give the capability of training new pilots to flying or DCS sims. Maybe making a single and two seat version of whatever comes out (F-15C/E, F-16C/D, F-18E/F), that will allow for both types to be in a mission, and pilots can choose to fly alone or with someone in the 2 seater.

 

This is a good idea, but one would have to see whether a two-seat version is actually used for combat (remember that DCS is meant to be as real as an entertainment sim can be). For example, I think (might be wrong) that no F-16 variant with two seats is used for actual missions.

 

While they are at it they can update Black Shark to include the Ka-52 if/when it is adopted into service :D (before someone flames me, I know it's unlikely, just wishful thinking).

[Succellus]

Really? Know any atypical fighters?

 

Mig29, Su27, AV8 harrier, Su33, Su35, Tu25, why not the sucking AMX lol.

 

All those are less comon than F15,f16,f18 if you rule out LOMAC, and none has ever been modeled in more than a "study" game.

All those fit in DCS, single seat fixed wings aircrafts.

I just don t know if ED has ever or will ever have a contract that he can switch to civ public.

 

As for 2 seat version, AFAWK, ain t gonna happen, which by the way leave us with:

F18 E/F

F16 C/D

F15 A/C

 

Unless we gonna fall back in time so many other can fit in, but i don t think its the case.

[GGTharos]

Let's see. About the only one of those that might be billed as atypical is the Harrier. That's it.

 

You then go on to call a prototype 'more rare' than production aircrafts (the Su-35), and claim that MiG-29's and Su-27's are 'rarer' than the teen fighters, not to mention the Su-25.

 

I think your argument is failed.

 

Mig29, Su27, AV8 harrier, Su33, Su35, Tu25, why not the sucking AMX lol.

[Succellus]

Tomcat sucks so much that it was phased out of the real navy.

 

Can you state the sucking apart from maintainance time and cost, which are irrelevant gamewise ?

Afaik f15 sucks too they ve been wacked up by Av8 in training

And f16 have been wacked up agaisnt Su30 in the Indian contract licence.

And until model G f18 had a load of problem (high response time, vertical wobbling, lateral nose drift..) with low speed which is extremely problematic when you have to land on a carrier...

Taking on account that some of those comment came from F14 pilots pissed on the Tomcat retirement, and taking on account that F14 inability to dogfight was taken on propaganda to impose the F18... we have a tie.

 

So sucking is quite relative if you don t look at both end of the spectrum.

[GGTharos]

Can you state the sucking apart from maintainance time and cost, which are irrelevant gamewise ?

 

6.5g airframe.

 

Afaik f15 sucks too they ve been wacked up by Av8 in training

Myth.

 

And f16 have been wacked up agaisnt Su30 in the Indian contract licence.

They SHOULD be whacked by a big interceptor in BVR, just like F-15's do to them.

 

And until model G f18 had a load of problem (high response time, vertical wobbling, lateral nose drift..) with low speed which is extremely problematic when you have to land on a carrier...

Obvously it wasn't bad enough for the USN to not accept the aircraft. Aww. Fail again?

 

Taking on account that some of those comment came from F14 pilots pissed on the Tomcat retirement, and taking on account that F14 inability to dogfight was taken on propaganda to impose the F18... we have a tie.

There was no propaganda. A hornet will out-turn a turkey. Heck, ANYTHING will out-turn a turkey.

 

So sucking is quite relative if you don t look at both end of the spectrum.

Did you? ;)

[bumfire]

I know this is an old thread, but I vote none of the above, Regarding the Poll.

 

If any Aircraft out of those in the poll is goign to be modelled by ED, you can Bet it will be the f16.

 

The rest will be too classified for the info ed needs to be able to make the sim.

 

Plus I think their is far better AC out there to get first but Ed wont do them, as those ones that I think are better are not in service thus wont be modelled by Ed, which I think is a bad idea, but I dunno, maybe they have got things figured out for the next 10 years ?

 

EDIT:

 

Scratch that, I thought I saw the F16 in the Poll, but its the F14 instead, which is out of service and wont be modelled either :(

 

Make a Buccaneer and that will keep me happy :)

Edited February 14, 2011 by bumfire

[Succellus]

Let's see. About the only one of those that might be billed as atypical is the Harrier. That's it.

 

You then go on to call a prototype 'more rare' than production aircrafts (the Su-35), and claim that MiG-29's and Su-27's are 'rarer' than the teen fighters, not to mention the Su-25.

 

I think your argument is failed.

 

Taking one single sentence out of context to prove your point doesn t speak too much good of you.

[GGTharos]

Your entire statement at the start there is wrong - the answer to my question, you know? ;)

 

Taking one single sentence out of context to prove your point doesn t speak too much good of you.

[Succellus]

6.5g airframe.

 

Ok take it...;) Forgot that little detail. But with a phoenix like missiles i don think the f18 would have much chance agaisnt the f14 if the tech was brought to date. Well, irrelevant well never know.

 

 

They SHOULD be whacked by a big interceptor in BVR, just like F-15's do to them.

 

"Sea Harrier Over the Falklands"

Althought it was a close encounter with NO BVR it did happen.;)

Or is this a fake ?

 

Obvously it wasn't bad enough for the USN to not accept the aircraft. Aww. Fail again?

 

There was no propaganda. A hornet will out-turn a turkey. Heck, ANYTHING will out-turn a turkey.

 

Not a A10, not a E4, not a YAK38,not a Harrier, not a Super Etandart (LOL).... ;)

But yes...f18 was more economic and less specific so even whith those problems it was taken, normal. F14 time had passed :(

 

Did you? ;)

 

I tryed, but i failed, forgot about G limitation:doh:.

[GGTharos]

Ok take it...;) Forgot that little detail. But with a phoenix like missiles i don think the f18 would have much chance agaisnt the f14 if the tech was brought to date. Well, irrelevant well never know.

 

THe Phoenix was basically out-dated, and not an anti-fighter weapons (not to say that it wasn't dangerous).

 

 

"Sea Harrier Over the Falklands"

Althought it was a close encounter with NO BVR it did happen.;)

Or is this a fake ?

 

Not a fake, just exaggerated. USAF pilots train to deal with aircraft that can slow down a lot, or turn better (or both). F-15's have no problems handling just about any aircraft out there. The Harrier cannot out-turn an F-15, and in practice VIFFING has never been used in combat anyway. It's like pulling a cobra with your flanker in front of another plane ... all you've done is turn yourself into an immobile (Read: can't dodge) target.

 

 

Not a A10, not a E4, not a YAK38,not a Harrier, not a Super Etandart (LOL).... ;)

But yes...f18 was more economic and less specific so even whith those problems it was taken, normal. F14 time had passed :(

 

It is more economical and more capable (in the E version. Note that the C and E are not the same plane at all, they just look the same).

 

I tryed, but i failed, forgot about G limitation:doh:.

 

It happens. The F-14 was in theory good at what it was supposed to do: Detect and engage multiple bombers and supersonic anti-ship missiles.

[Succellus]

Your entire statement at the start there is wrong - the answer to my question, you know? ;)

 

Ha but i taked the statement and redirectioned it clearly to the gaming industry.

 

If you take typical for typical in role.... Well its clear all are the same, what change is avionics.

 

My point is we still don t have any non american fixed wing aircraft modelled above the survey state.

 

And one of those would be nice to change, or in the "gaming" context, anything not containing a "F" before the number.

 

Of course a bucanner or sepecat maybe wouldn t be that fun.

 

But thats only me.

Its like IL2 Wow finally something that ain t BOB or Pacific. Il2 has brought some light to a dark and fery few known history or ww2 air warfare, at least for the non russians...

[Succellus]

 

It happens. The F-14 was in theory good at what it was supposed to do: Detect and engage multiple bombers and supersonic anti-ship missiles.

 

There are some few movies of f14 downing opfor planes.

But of course pilot quality is paramount, some engagement where like OMG a non friendly aircraft: RUN!!!!:D

Not everybody is prone to die for his country, or for his dictator.

 

As the F18 C/D being diferent from the f18 E/F, well, more or less...

Its like saying f16c/d and f16u are totally diferents aircraft.

They are just heavily upgraded.

 

Byt the way a F18 would be my choice in what we re left to dream of, landing on a carrier alwaysmake things more interesting.

Edited February 14, 2011 by Succellus

[sobek]

There was no propaganda. A hornet will out-turn a turkey. Heck, ANYTHING will out-turn a turkey.

 

But...the Hornet is so fricking ugly :D

[Python]

But...the Hornet is so fricking ugly :D

 

How dare you sir :D