Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[Flyby]

I thought as much. ;) But I am known to give in to my impetuous nature from time to time. :)

Flyby out

[apolloace]

Are choppers more exciting than fast jets plus carrier ops & full deck operations?

[apolloace]

Though DCS-BS was ground-breaking, I still think most of the the flight-sim enthusiasts would prefer a AFM multi-role jet.

[VMFA117_Poko]

Though DCS-BS was ground-breaking, I still think most of the the flight-sim enthusiasts would prefer a AFM multi-role jet.

Yes.

[bumfire]

Mmmmm, JagUar, Buccaneer, me wants me wants :p

[Flyby]

I think the Jag is do-able (but of course I can't know this for sure), and that it may be a matter of deciding which way DCS wants to go with it's sim. I can't know that either, but looking at the Ka50 gunship and the A10 CAS fighter makes me wonder if a deep strike plane will ever be in the mix any time relatively soon (like before I turn 70 in 9.5 years).

Flyby out

[joey45]

The Jag is/was a STRIKE plane not a CAS...

 

unfortantaly a MUTLI-ROLE / CAS / FIGHTER would be more appealing to the mass as they are more interesting. Besides if they would do a strike it would either be a RUS or UA plane then a European one as the market is USA/RUS.

 

Have a look at the military games in the past 10yrs........

 

Unfortanaly if we want a EU/other country plane in a sim it would have to be a 3rd party not 1st party.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar

[revalence]

ED should do the newly announced F-15C Golden Eagle with AESA APG-82/63 V(3) Radar and the new targeting system by BAE systems. Or, even better, they could go for the whole nine yards and model the F-15SE Silent Eagle. While we're doing modern aircraft like the A-10C and KA-50, why don't we add another?:D

 

 

 

Just my two cents,

-Andrew (Revalence)

 

(And the extra thrust from the Pratt and Whitney F100-229 isn't to be overlooked either! 29,000 lbs of thrust each!)

[shu77]

I think the Silent eagle is still a bit of a technology demonstrator. Theres no firm figures on what the actual RCS reduction is because they havent decided what they can and cant export, or even what is actually practical to attach. So while they've test fired the weapons pods they havent replaced any of the point bits, blended any edges, or installed RAM, as such its really a bit of a hypothetical which could easily change during the Dev cycle. I remember flying a sim once with the F-29 based on the X-29 dev idea, obviously at the start of their product cycle the F-29 was a possibility but in practice it never came about. so I would much rather see something thats actually out there like the Rafale (carrier ops from CVN-72 and the CDG) or Grippen (short field antics and FARPs ahoy) then a plane that may be nothing more than a marketing footnote in history myself.

[amnm]

hi

its great to have F-16 DCS ,so we can use the other non F-15 / A-10 weapons and features like anti radar weapons ,TV laser guided anti bunkers weapons GBU-28 and other GBUs and anti ship weapons harpoon. it will be a good add for nato airplane against su-25t

[zakobi]

Does anyone know if we can make better cockpits at sometime. Think i saw it somewhere, that sometime we will get tools for it.

[SNAFU]

As long as the AI of ground units and A/C is unfortunatly only a short time attraction, I would suggest DCS should change that and write a dynamical campaign like Falcon 4.0 - then I would even fly in a Piper Cup to war, just for the feeling of beeing part of the chaos. ;)

 

As long as this just remains a dream, I would suggest, DCS should give the already provided systems a counterpart to enhance PvP online-action. Therefore, eventhough I am not sure about the double-seat feature (roles should not be changeable during fligt or a career, and my AI pilot/WSO would need some RPG integration, should have his own personallty - to get along with me ;) ), I would suggest the DCS:AH-64A, or better another single-seat attack/ support helicopter. Actually I don´t know any other single seat attack helicopter besides the Ka-50.

 

Then the A-10C would need a worthy counterpart, there would suit the Su-25T just right, or not?

Having this, I would love to see a plane like A-7 or F-5 in DCS, following a russian counterpart like Mig-23. This would be my dream-road-map for DCS... ;)

IMHO, even though I would love to have a DCS: Tornado, methinks the suitable counterparts of the by the time existing systems, should have priority. Regarding the feasability, considering acess to information, drawings, specifications needed, planes like F-5 or A-7, Mig-23, Mig-21 should be perfect.

Edited August 6, 2010 by SNAFU

[Flyby]

Joey, I get that the Jaguar was/is a strike fighter. My point is DCS may have a better shot at introducing this plane, or similar legacy single-seat strike aircraft of the same period. I don't really know if the manuals are available, and that must be taken into account per DCS's modus operandi. I don't think DCS is ready to spring the Tornado on an unsuspecting virtual world. It still has to solve the riddle of dual cockpits, and my guess is it would produce the Apache Longowbow before it took on the Tornado. I doubt DCS would try the Hornet any sooner, as it has complex systems that DCS may not have access to.

 

I guess it comes down to what strike fighter does DCS have a shot at adding, and as you allude to, will DCS's main markets support that decision. I would hope yes, but who knows? I hope I am not alone in wanting to fly low level strike missions in some different iron.

 

I say give us the Jagwaar!! ;)

Flyby out

Edited August 6, 2010 by Flyby

[71st_Mastiff]

F-16 v Mig 29

 

 

Thank you Buicic

 

Edited August 6, 2010 by Mastiff

[Bucic]

F-16 v Mig 29

 

 

Mmm some sorte of youtube error?

 

 

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The safest way:

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[Bulletstop]

Apache Apache Apache, I doubt it but a man can dream :)

 

 

Bullet

[71st_Mastiff]

well i did see an apache in the GA banner if thats a clue? It would also make sense if they were working on both F-16 and FA-18 due to the similarities with A2A and A2G radar.

and if they are working on that just hypothetically here; (a new Aircraft carrier) for the FA 18. if right now I bet there too busy with the A10c getting it ready for roll out in maybe September or October?

 

I have been accused of being psychic..

But then again I should of won the Lotto by now. lol

 

Apache Apache Apache, I doubt it but a man can dream :)

 

 

Bullet

Edited August 7, 2010 by Mastiff

[revalence]

I think the Silent eagle is still a bit of a technology demonstrator. Theres no firm figures on what the actual RCS reduction is because they havent decided what they can and cant export, or even what is actually practical to attach. So while they've test fired the weapons pods they havent replaced any of the point bits, blended any edges, or installed RAM, as such its really a bit of a hypothetical which could easily change during the Dev cycle. I remember flying a sim once with the F-29 based on the X-29 dev idea, obviously at the start of their product cycle the F-29 was a possibility but in practice it never came about. so I would much rather see something thats actually out there like the Rafale (carrier ops from CVN-72 and the CDG) or Grippen (short field antics and FARPs ahoy) then a plane that may be nothing more than a marketing footnote in history myself.

 

I would agree on the technology demonstrator. But then again, ED could just model the base F-15C Golden Eagle w/ AESA radar as a contemplation to the original F-15C in the Lock On today.

 

-Andrew (Revalence)

[sunwolf]

F-18 vs Su-33.

[DRAKO]

IMnotsoHO :music_whistling:

one should start from some analysis before saying I want this or that.

 

First choice for a sim producer is between an arcade or high-realism simulation.

On the first road you can easily put a lot of planes and make it funny for people who just like shooting without much study and realism. Those type of sims sell good but fade as fast as the vaporous passion for aerial operations of the virtual pilots who love them for some time.

The second type is more risky in commercial terms but could become a ‘legend’ (if it has an open architecture) giving you the possibility to sell new pieces of it for decades. Usually people who fly those sims, have a much deeper passion than the other ones, a passion thought to die.

With DCS, Eagle Dynamics seems to have put itself on the second road, and we are all happy and thankful about that.

Why that, after several years of nearly arcade products?

Maybe because the hardcore simmer community meanwhile has organized in big groups on the net and specialized trough online training, created schools and a standard that attract most of the new generation virtual pilots, so orientating their sim choice from the beginning? Majority finally looking for extreme realism + high connectivity stability and not only for graphic details?

Or maybe because ED is just trying the other road and sort of betting that it will all be fine?

 

 

Whatsoever the reasons, to realize such a complicated sim has big costs and the choice of the right plane is essential because IMO it has to be

 

1. doable

2. cost as few as possible to implement

3. like to lot of people (to sell as much as possible)

 

 

About the first point: to do a good work you will need to have lots of unclassified material and possibly people who have flown the real thing to test and make it as close as possible to RL; so for several years still, it can’t be a recent jet like F-22, F-35, Su-35, Su T-50, Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen. (Helos is a still too small market for actual pilots in my opinion, and should be preferably integrated in an advanced ground operations simulator).

About second point: you will be happy to utilize all the work done in previous years on preceded sims sold by your firm. Therefore, previously enhanced planes with lot of study ready on it, will be a good point where to start from.

About the third point: you will choose a model that can be interesting not only for the actual active military sim communities and attract new gamers, but for all the vast simmer generations of the last years that have somehow abandoned operations but would like to give a try to a new sim (if it has a plane they already flew before) just to see if they are still fit to it.

 

From all that, I don’t think that our wish list can affect a pure commercial choice.

After the A-10

I think that the possible next planes in DCS will be jets like F-15, MiG-29 and Su-25

We all know where we have already seen them….

So DCS seems to follow the same old logic of having an AA and AG fighter of each cold war block. While Su-25 will probably come out only afterwards, as A-10 already is an A-G role, as next we will probably see an AA role. I guess on the USA side, just because the theatre is still ready. So it will be an F-15 probably.

 

BUT

considering my third point, I am asking myself if DCS has any ambition to attract the vast mass of Falcon4 pilots. It is true that a high implemented A-10 will probably bring most of us Falconers (myself surely) to try and possibly to use this sim. But if DCS will not be able to give us an F-16, it will always be our second choice, a sim to use along with Falcon4.

And moreover, cold war is over and the new scenery shows that F-16s are top sellers all over the world. DCS simply can’t not notice it! And then they are multirole… ok I’ll stop here my F-16 implorations!

 

So, even if I don’t think my wishes will change a dot in DCS plans, I hope they will pick up the challenge and become the new ‘legend’ for us Viper pilots.

 

One last consideration.

Along with an F-16 (or any other jet) I think a basic training prop plane like T6 Texan II would be urgently needed, in order to enable virtual wings to implement a complete virtual pilots school approach.

 

Thank you DCS for all done so far and for what will come!

 

can't resist in putting in this smile :pilotfly:

[BigVette]

The Mi-24 Hind seems like the most logical choice to me. I just found a couple former Bulgarian Mi-24's flying here in North Texas, and I can't believe a sim the level of the DCS Ka-50 does not already exist! There is as much history behind this aircraft as there is sheer sexy aeronautical attraction, and it's one I vividly remember growing up!

 

The aircraft is still readily flying today even in Russia's active military, it's tried and true and there is a wealth of information readily available on it, (if you know of some Mi-24 maintenance/avionics tech pubs in English, please let me know!) You can sling ordinance or ferry combat troops, it's unique still to this day.

 

www.cwam.org

 

Edited August 7, 2010 by BigVette

[71st_Mastiff]

hey thats in Texas, when we where deploying to Saudi arabia back in the 1990-91 operation desert shield and those Mi24s would fly over us in Ft. Hood.. if thats the same Mi24?

 

The Mi-24 Hind seems like the most logical choice to me. I just found a couple former Bulgarian Mi-24's flying here in North Texas, and I can't believe a sim the level of the DCS Ka-50 does not already exist! There is as much history behind this aircraft as there is sheer sexy aeronautical attraction, and it's one I vividly remember growing up!

 

The aircraft is still readily flying today even in Russia's active military, it's tried and true and there is a wealth of information readily available on it, (if you know of some Mi-24 maintenance/avionics tech pubs in English, please let me know!) You can sling ordinance or ferry combat troops, it's unique still to this day.

 

www.cwam.org

 

[crazyeddie]

The guys at Sim Mod were doing the Jaguar along with a few other French types, and they had planned to do the UK Version of it. The last time I saw anything (a VERY long time ago) it was almost finished and it looked really good.

 

They have all but vanished from the Flight Sim world, something to do with piracy of their models I think, so who can blame them.

 

Anyway, the toys got thrown out of the pram and I have heard nothing since.

[Flyby]

Crazyeddie that's a real pity. All the more reason for DCS to resurrect this fine strike aircraft and give it the place in sim history it deserves, imo. Plus, as I said earlier here, it may be easily do-able (at least if the necessary technical information is available to them). I wonder what technical info DCS does have available to it for simulating a NATO strike plane?

Flyby out

[TeeJay82]

Right.. so now we have 1 one man russian chopper and one 1man american fixed aircraft. to balance out the game i would say either a 1man american ground attack chopper or a fixed wing russian ground attack plane.

 

And just look at ARMA... the interior of the vehicles there are crap. but its still a huge sucess... so implemend arma inf and ground vehicle support please :)