If you mastered DCS A-10C, could you hop into the real thing, run it up, and fly it?

[kingneptune117]

Since this is an extremely high fidelity simulator I like to think so. But I believe wags once said the engines start up process was 95% accurate because of some top secret things.

[Flim]

probably not!

 

There are many other things you need to know besides starting the CF-34!

[ArphytwoCma]

Ramp is possible,Takeoff is not.if you only just master a virtual sim.

[kingneptune117]

probably not!

 

There are many other things you need to know besides starting the CF-34!

 

not just the engines, i mean everything, including avionics, everything.

[mvsgas]

Just going of the sim, without any other documentation, no.

For example, how do you open the canopy from the outside? How do you open the ladder door? etc. This is stuff you could maybe find on the net but i doubt it would be modeled in the sim.

[Deadman]

I think you need to research how many years it takes for a pilot to solo. (only way to fly the A-10C) How may hours of flight in trainer aircraft ,how many hours in simulators,How many hours of class time.Then factor the oh sh@t factor of climbing in to a real combat aircraft to take off.

 

Realistically no amount of flight time will get you ready to Fly the real A-10C. You not getting professional quality training from the simulator

[kingneptune117]

I think you need to research how many years it takes for a pilot to solo. (only way to fly the A-10C) How may hours of flight in trainer aircraft ,how many hours in simulators,How many hours of class time.Then factor the oh sh@t factor of climbing in to a real combat aircraft to take off.

 

Realistically no amount of flight time will get you ready to Fly the real A-10C. You not getting professional quality training from the simulator

 

this is true, but they hog pilot, before he flys the hog, only has experience in T-38C's, T-36's, and the A-10 sim. He flys the real thing for the first time by him self, so frankly, he relies mostly on his simulator experience, since the T-38 most likely handles much differently than the A-10

[Mad Dog 7.62]

So are you talking about a pilot who has experience in other jet aircraft, or JUST sim experience? There is a big difference.

[redberon2003]

As a Licensed Airman I though I'd stop by to ask, does it even matter?

[kingneptune117]

As a Licensed Airman I though I'd stop by to ask, does it even matter?

 

not really, but neither do a lot of other things. its just interesting to think you know enough to fly the jet.

 

but lets say just pure sim experience, not flying at all in real life. i mean the a-10c is fly by wire, which makes it generally easier to fly than a cessna. an f-15 pilot once said that there is more of a challenge in landing a cessna than an f-15.

[ShalashakaDS]

I would think that a pilot who only trained on a t-38 maybe could skip the a-10 sim with proper study of its procedures and documentation, but not so sure about a pilot who only piloted sims could skip the t-38. I mean, you fly the t-38 to learn the basics of flying and operating a jet, when youre sent to the a-10 sim you already know how to fly, you go there to learn the specifics to the plane. Even if they have different handling the actual flight is indispensable, no mater how good the sim is.

[Deadman]

Oh you have just proven you have absolutely no idea of what your talking about with the A-10A or A-10C neither is a fly by wire controlled aircraft.trying to fly an aircraft any aircraft with just Simulator time is just ridicules period

 

 

 

 

not really, but neither do a lot of other things. its just interesting to think you know enough to fly the jet.

 

but lets say just pure sim experience, not flying at all in real life. i mean the a-10c is fly by wire, which makes it generally easier to fly than a cessna. an f-15 pilot once said that there is more of a challenge in landing a cessna than an f-15.

[636_Castle]

That's a good question.

 

I think it depends on what you mean by "mastered". However, I don't believe you could fly it intelligently. That doesn't mean you couldn't do a ramp start, or operate it's MFCDs well. I'm sure you'd feel very comfortable in the jet. But you'd still be missing the fundamentals of flight. As a pilot, you often times find yourself amazed at how often even private pilot experience helps you fly a modern jet. For example, external light operation and purpose, right of way, light gun signals, preflight and walkaround, even ATC communication.

 

And no matter what desktop simulator you fly, you'll never be able to experience anti g techniques, or 'seat-of-your-pants' flying.

 

I'm a huge believer in simulator training though. The first time I flew an airplane, was at the age of 13. I obviously didn't solo or land, but I departed, flew side-slips and turns around a point, and even flew the pattern after a brief radio failure. The ONLY reason that was possible, was because the pilot asked me: "So...do you know what these instruments do?" It blew him away to learn someone at that age could identify every cockpit instrument. And I know kids even younger than I was could do the same thing, all thanks to sim developers such as Eagle Dynamics.

Edited August 29, 2010 by 636_Castle

[RogueRunner]

Oh you have just proven you have absolutely no idea of what your talking about with the A-10A or A-10C neither is a fly by wire controlled aircraft.trying to fly an aircraft any aircraft with just Simulator time is just ridicules period

 

I've took fs sim pilots up in the real thing and some were really good from the word go. One guy even managed to land a Cherokee 180 after one circuit.

 

Almost all of them concentrate waaaay too much on the instruments but I would say most had the flying part under control within no time. Most of them also struggled with the taxi part strangely enough but nothing serious like almost departing the taxi way etc, just not very straight, kinda a zig zag type of effort.

 

Coming back to the original question. I doubt a take off would be possible. Startup maybe but, and I might be wrong, things like the INS alignment and other classified stuff will simply not be modeled or not modeled in that much depth. For instance, the ramp start for the F16, as depicted in the Red Viper, Open Falcon and FreeFalcon series was said to model about 50% of the steps necessary to start the real jet by those that flies her.

[636_Castle]

Almost all of them concentrate waaaay too much on the instruments but I would say most had the flying part under control within no time.

 

LOL! Funny you mention that. That nearly broke me in the real flying world. So many times I'd hear: "Stop staring at the instrument panel! Keep your heads up and S C A N! I don't want you flying us into a 747 by accident!" It's because you can't feel any gravity forces on you in the sim, so the only way you can tell if you've just hit a microburst, is by looking at your VSI.

[Deadman]

RogueRunner the point is that the sim pilot would be a lone not with a skilled licensed pilot with him

[Boberro]

IMHO you couldn't fly just after DCS Warthog mastered... There are things like how to open the doors, moving something, unlocking\lockcking... what mvsgas said. Also add to that big stress... real cockpit looks like differently even well made virtual..., your butts are not sitting on warm, nice chair with tea and biscuits next to you.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Sims are good, but not quite there yet from my limited experience. Two things are missing imo; the way turbulence affects the aircraft forcing constant corrections, esp when taking off/landing, and perhaps more importantly, the psycologial effect flying an actual valuble aircraft with your actual valuble neck on the line if you screw up!

 

I think it's possible, but I don't think it would be pretty.

 

Actually, weather is one of the main thing's that's really missing from modern sims. It always seems to go in at the end as an after thought, when it should be one of the first things.

[leafer]

If said simmer's feet has never left rock steady earth?

 

I had a chance to backseat in a Rutan LongEZ and I wanted to chuck food through out the entire flight. I didn't, but it did not feel good at all. The pilot, David Orr, was an ex forward air patrol pilot in Nam and he was strafing imaginary gooks and a couple of white-knuck stunts. No, forget about operating avionics and other high speed rush because as soon as the plane deviates from straight and level flight, your food starts gravitating back to mouth...

[EtherealN]

I'd put it like this:

 

If you were helped into the aircraft, and have been flying your simulator with the Warthog HOTAS, you might be able to take off and probably fly a little. But don't blame me when you either swerve off the runway on takeoff or explode yourself on landing. :P

 

If you have experience with (real) aircraft that have similar configurations and similar envelope, you'll be better off.

 

That said, I'm sure that for some people (the "naturals") the simulator would be almost everything they'd need. That type of person are extremely few and far between, though, (think Gagarin, Yaeger, Richtofen etc) and even then there's just way too large risks involved in takeoff and landing (not to mention the risks of losing control due to overenthusiastic and ill-coordinated use of rudder). You always want at least a lead-in-trainer, if nothing else then just because you want to survive. ;)

[leafer]

Don't mind if i take this off topic a little...say you're on a commercial flight when suddenly, an airhostess burst out from the cockpit screaming they're all dead, oh god, can any of you land this montrosity!?! Would you raise your hand or perhaps both hands while jumping up and down delirious with joy? :D

[GhostDog]

You could probably successfully take off and climb. Navigating and landing would be another matter entirely.

[digitaljjd]

Don't mind any of these guys, just go to any USAF A-10 base and explain that you've mastered DCS A-10C, I'm sure they'll have no problem letting you in to fly that 12 million dollar? aircraft. No Problem. If you tell them you know Matt Wagner they may even let you load the ordinance and skip the pre-flight. Just make sure to be wearing your own mask, helmet and G-suit when you first approach the main gate. If you write a name on the side of your helmet like "Hotdog", "Starbuck" or "Chuckles" for example, they will stencil it onto the aircraft before you fly, but only if you have a receipt from a Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog controller with you. :smilewink:

Edited August 29, 2010 by digitaljjd

[CAT_101st]

I like how they chalked the tire. and look at the gun comming apart.

[Mad Dog 7.62]

Don't mind if i take this off topic a little...say you're on a commercial flight when suddenly, an airhostess burst out from the cockpit screaming they're all dead, oh god, can any of you land this montrosity!?! Would you raise your hand or perhaps both hands while jumping up and down delirious with joy? :D

 

My father in law is an extremely experienced pilot, he has flown movie stars and wealthy executives around in twin engine private jets, has been a flight instructor for many years etc. and he says even he would have his hands full in that situation....we discussed it once. He said he could "probably" get a heavy down but it "wouldn't be pretty". So I am thinking a sim-only pilot would be pretty screwed in that situation. :cry: