wtfisgoingon Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Since the other BETA 6 threads get closed and we're told: For the relevant Beta 6 discussion, see this thread: So I ask. WTFISGOINGON?? :D I think that we should at the *VERY LEAST* get a weekly update, rather than the current way is going. But being told nothing and having these nervous nelly mods (or attitudy judy if you prefer) go around closing threads and acting like we should be killed in our sleep for asking whats happening. A simple weekly post saying 'yeah its not done yet, sorry' would be better than nothing at least we could all COUNT and wait on that, instead of having no friggen idea at all whats going on. I also think the mods here really, really need to perhaps unplug, go outside and check out the graphics available in real life they're awesome then maybe you'd chill out a bit and stop pissing off the paying customers (most of us go out of our way to involve new people into this, I myself have hooked 2 friends who previous to this LOL'd at the idea of spending so much time just starting a plane... now its all we talk about) Though personally I do smile in real life when I see a MOD going all ape-%$#@-ola over someone posting something they don't like. Grow up please. Or at the very least one of you go full blown psycho and end up on youtube for all of us to watch (and post in the beta 6 thread)... that would be awesome! BTW, love this and BlackShark, and most of the community... Just getting annoyed at the lack of information, and the general attitude of the mods. Edited February 20, 2011 by wtfisgoingon 2 i7-920 @3.8Ghz / MSI X58m / 8GB DDR3 / 2 x HD5770 / Asus-vw226h @1920x1200 / 2x OCZ Vertex 2 80GB SSD's / Win 7-64 / TrackIR 5 / Saitek x52 / Razer BlackWidow Mech Keyboard / Razer Deathadder Stuttering or fps problems? Updated April 25/11: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=68060 Check out this fantastic list of must have and FREE programs: http://www.logichaos.com/joomla/component/content/article/35-text-guides/82-ultimate-list-of-free-programs-for-windows.html
Steel Jaw Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Have to agree that the info lockdown is backfiring on them. Best thing to do is for ED to man up to that error and give us a little update on the goings on. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
sobek Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 I think that we should at the *VERY LEAST* get a weekly update, rather than the current way is going. But being told nothing and having these nervous nelly mods (or attitudy judy if you prefer) go around closing threads and acting like we should be killed in our sleep for asking whats happening. [...] Grow up please. Or at the very least one of you go full blown psycho and end up on youtube for all of us to watch (and post in the beta 6 thread)... that would be awesome! Aha. Let me get this straight. You are saying that you are obsessing about getting news from the sim, yet you have the nerve to tell the mods that bust their asses everyday to keep the forum in some form that is usable to grow up, chill and go outside and smell the flowers. Uh, yeah, that's some...very stringent argumentation. (You sense the irony? ;)) To be serious, you have all the info you can ask for. According to the latest news from JimMac the sim will be officially out the door by end of February. What more do you want? 1 Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Steel Jaw Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 What more do you want? That's a loaded question...do you *really* want an answer? :D I think it's important at times like this to ask what would The Hoff say? "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
mtuckner Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Aha. Let me get this straight. You are saying that you are obsessing about getting news from the sim, yet you have the nerve to tell the mods that bust their asses everyday to keep the forum in some form that is usable to grow up, chill and go outside and smell the flowers. Uh, yeah, that's some...very stringent argumentation. (You sense the irony? ;)) To be serious, you have all the info you can ask for. According to the latest news from JimMac the sim will be officially out the door by end of February. What more do you want? If that is the case Sobek, then that leaves this next work week for it to be released fully to the public as a final product. If the decision was made, which it seems to indicate from Jim during the interview, why the hell not just say that on the forum for an update. "Hey guys, we were going to release Beta 6 a few weeks ago, but it was so polished and excellent that we are pushing for the release candidate soon, by the end of February barring any show stopping bugs or other unforeseen issues." Would that be so hard. And it would stop the Hoff, as well as shut everyone else up. Not sure what is the big deal about this if that is indeed what is going on.
Steel Jaw Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 And it would stop the Hoff Nothing can stop The Hoff. :D "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
159th_Viper Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 So I ask. WTFISGOINGON?? Do you not read the relevant posts in the Forum? I think that we should at the *VERY LEAST* get a weekly update, rather than the current way is going.... That's your opinion, however misguided it is. My opinion would be that weekly updates are unnecessary, especially having regard to the recent announcement. At most, monthly announcements would be more than reasonable.Then again, that's my opinion. ...But being told nothing and having these nervous nelly mods (or attitudy judy if you prefer) go around closing threads and acting like we should be killed in our sleep for asking whats happening..... Oh you are told plenty - some just prefer to be selectively perceptive to what is said it seems. We cannot spoon-feed all of the people all of the time.....it gets tedious. ......A simple weekly post saying 'yeah its not done yet, sorry' would be better than nothing at least we could all COUNT and wait on that, instead of having no friggen idea at all whats going on...... How many times has it not been repeated that work is ongoing on a daily basis. Builds are released and tested and modifications made and bugs reported and rectified.....Brings us back to the selective hearing principle it seems. As for having 'no friggen idea', well, I'd endeavour to pay more attention - certainly will enlighten. ....I also think the mods here really, really need to perhaps unplug, go outside and check out the graphics available in real life they're awesome then maybe you'd chill out a bit and stop pissing off the paying customers...... Abide by the Forum rules and us mods will not be necessary. Alas, that seems unfortunately unattainable at present. Maybe some of your own advice finds applicability here: Maybe you should really, really need to perhaps unplug, go outside and check out the graphics available in real life they're awesome then maybe you'd chill out a bit and stop pissing off the Mods by your comments - Just a thought mind you. 1 Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
sobek Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 If that is the case Sobek, then that leaves this next work week for it to be released fully to the public as a final product. If the decision was made, which it seems to indicate from Jim during the interview, why the hell not just say that on the forum for an update. It's already all over the forum. You keep forgetting that ED have in total less employees than other studios PR departments. 1 Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Steel Jaw Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Well points and respect to the mods for at least being here to take and refute abuse*...you dont really have to post at all except to ban people...:D * even if you're not giving us any USEFUL info. :P "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
StrongHarm Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 The self important attitudes of some people blows me away. What makes you think ED owes you anything? They are much more involved and patient than any other dev team I've seen. Do you not have any respect or reverence at all for a team that's done such great things? I'm not saying you should agree with everything they say, but you can communicate your opinion without being a dkhead about it. Consider the fact that the respect you afford others reflects greatly on the respect you deserve. Have some honor and integrity. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
Steel Jaw Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 The self...blows me...dkhead. Great point, dude. //runs away. :D "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
159th_Viper Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 * even if you're not giving us any USEFUL info. :P Aye - We (referring to the Testers) honestly try and provide as much info as possible. Obviously we are still bound by the NDA and as such there is info that we cannot relate. As much as we would also like to provide you all with more than is currently known, we cannot. As for the reason why a representative of ED has not related more than is what already known, I cannot comment on the reasons therefore. What I can however do is probably understand why: There is a shiteload of work being carried out at the moment, more so that even a week ago. The pressure has definitely being cranked up a good coupla notches and in the greater scheme of things, while regular updates over and above what have already been provided would be nice, it's probably of a lesser priority right about now. That's exactly why we have been asking for a wee bit of patience which has not exactly worked out very well if one has regards to some posts. Be that as it may, work goes on irrespective. Would however be nice if all realise that more Flies are caught with Honey than with a saucer of Vinegar......Alas it seems that that will never be the case for a select few. 1 Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
ZeeDD Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 To be serious, you have all the info you can ask for. According to the latest news from JimMac the sim will be officially out the door by end of February. What more do you want? A release date announcement made by a dev team member, on a general gaming website, and nothing from Matt "WAGS" Wagner on the official DCS website or forum ! Please let me doubt the information... DD.
sobek Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Please let me doubt the information... I couldn't care less about your oh so informed assessment of the piece of info i reiterated, given that you don't even know who Jim Mackonochie is. :doh: So, any more shots to your own knee? :D Edited February 20, 2011 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
ZeeDD Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 What I can however do is probably understand why: There is a shiteload of work being carried out at the moment, more so that even a week ago. The pressure has definitely being cranked up a good coupla notches and in the greater scheme of things, while regular updates over and above what have already been provided would be nice, it's probably of a lesser priority right about now. I think that we all can understand that the priority is not communication but development Viper. The thing that is less understandable is that just made a little post saying: "Don't worry guys, B6 will or will not be release because we're actually finishing gold release to be ready at the end of the month", should take about 30 seconds to be posted by an official member. DD.
ZeeDD Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) I couldn't care less about your oh so informed assessment of the piece of info i reiterated, given that you don't even know who Jim Mackonochie is. :doh: So, any more shots to your own knee? :D The point is not WHO made the announcement, but HOW and WHERE it has been made. DD. Edited February 20, 2011 by ZeeDD
159th_Viper Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 The thing that is less understandable is that just made a little post saying: "Don't worry guys, B6 will or will not be release because we're actually finishing gold release to be ready at the end of the month", should take about 30 seconds to be posted by an official member. DD. To re-iterate Sobek's sentiments: Jim MacKonochie, part of the Management team and in his capacity as Producer of TFC/ED, has stated that the digital release will be end February. That's pretty categorical. What is reasonable is to assume that people will then infer that work is being carried out in all due haste in an attempt to achieve that goal. What more is it that you would want to hear and from who? Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
StrongHarm Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 You guys are a lot more forgiving than I would be.. some of these people would be getting ban notices and refunds heheh. Self important little pricks. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
sobek Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) The problem is not WHO made the announcement, but HOW and WHERE it has been made. Yeah, nice save. It was announced and the whole community knows about it, so what's your point? You have to work with the media and give them some exclusive info to get coverage. Throw them a bone here and there. That's a *possible* (read, one i could come up with in less than 10 seconds, it's nothing more than a brain fart) explanation. You guys are a lot more forgiving than I would be.. some of these people would be getting ban notices and refunds heheh. In a fit of endless foresight, nobody ever granted me moderator rights. But don't get me started. :D Edited February 20, 2011 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
skypirate Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Conspiracy theory: ED does not publish any information just to keep people busy and amused by this own thread ongoing like forever. This way the developers buy time while the heat keeps things boiling in the chit-chat section and the time goes by day after day. I am joking of course. Just want to express my support for the whole ED team including the guys with the axes. You people have nerves of steel. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Regards!
StrongHarm Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Hate to be redundant.. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
ZeeDD Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) To re-iterate Sobek's sentiments: Jim MacKonochie, part of the Management team and in his capacity as Producer of TFC/ED, has stated that the digital release will be end February. That's pretty categorical. What is reasonable is to assume that people will then infer that work is being carried out in all due haste in an attempt to achieve that goal. What more is it that you would want to hear and from who? Viper, who was our reference since the start of that public "beta" ? For me and, I suppose, others here, it was Matt Wagner. From day to day: A B5, and a B6 on the way with a changelog etc... and then, no more word from Matt on the official forum, and an interview of Jim MacKonochie on games.on.net telling that the final release is planned for the end of february... Don't you find it strange ? For the simple user that I am, it is... DD. Edited February 20, 2011 by ZeeDD
159th_Viper Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 ... Don't you find it strange ? No - but then again, I have been a member of these boards for close on 5 years now already - I am used to how things work and how things are done. With that said, I can fully understand how you as a new member do find it strange. However, what I have an issue with is the manner in which the issue has been addressed by newcomers to these boards, akin to stumblin' in, all fists flailing in a valiant attempt to land a punch, rather than taking the time and enquiring in a mature, courteous and civil manner. We old-timers are more than ready, willing and able to help/assist. If someone however bull-dozes their way in demanding immediate gratification......Well then you gotta be prepared to take your lumps. Again, I can sympathise, but this is a niche market with it's own unique ways and mannerisms. Learn our ways before poking us in the eye: That way we both remain unhurt and all is well :) 3 Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
evilnate Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 We plan to make a new Beta 6 for internal testing on the 9th. The previous version had too many problems. If the new build looks good we hope to release soon afterward. I think this update is still valid. They are making a new beta because the previous one had too many problems. When they get a good build they will release it. I think we all created expiration dates in our heads because the updates of the past were almost on a regular basis. I'm sure ED loves their customers as much as we love them, and when they do release the next build everyone will be happy again. So party on with beta 4, or 3 if you like. Kick on the TARS and blow up bad guys while landing your ventilated hog back home. The next build is getting polished to perfection, and day is bringing us closer to the next best thing. :D 1
ZeeDD Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 I think this update is still valid. They are making a new beta because the previous one had too many problems. When they get a good build they will release it. I think we all created expiration dates in our heads because the updates of the past were almost on a regular basis. I'm sure ED loves their customers as much as we love them, and when they do release the next build everyone will be happy again. So party on with beta 4, or 3 if you like. Kick on the TARS and blow up bad guys while landing your ventilated hog back home. The next build is getting polished to perfection, and day is bringing us closer to the next best thing. :D Time will tell... DD.
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