effte Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Just an idea I've only had a quick chance to try but didnt make much difference is... if the UFC coords point to a box that the target may be in, and we only use 6 digit but could be 8 or 10. Does that mean that if you visualize it as a box, you are looking at the top left corner of it. Then the next digit would divide that into 10? If so, would your UFC point to the Centre of the box if you added a 5 to the end of each - example: GG 314 304 is the same as GG 3140 3040 - this represents the top left GG 3150 3050 - this represents the bottom right GG 3145 3045 - This represents the centre I gave it a quick try tonight but did not see much difference but only got time to try once. What do you all think? Now, that's a very interesting issue I hadn't thought about! GG314304 represents a square centered on GG31453045 Hence, it would be logical for the TGP to slew to GG31453045 when you tell it to slew to GG314304. However, it doesn't. Rather, it slews to GG31403040, or the SW corner of the square GG314304. I need to borrow an A-10C to check what it does in real life. Anyone got a spare one they're not using at the moment? ;) Cheers, /Fred ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Roto Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'd loan you mine but it's being detailed at the moment. They're buffing out some nicks a d@mn boom operator put in the paint job. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 257th Fighting Falcons/First VFW-25th Virtual Fighter Squadron Specs: Win7 HP 64 bit, i7-960 @ 3.2GHz, 12GB DDR3 RAM @ 1333MHz, Intel-based Alienware mobo, 256GB Samsung SSD, WD 1.0TB HD, Samsung LCD monitor @ 1920x1200, TM Warthog, SIMPED vario F-16 rudders w/brakes, R.A.T. 7 mouse, 2xMimo 7" LCDs, 2xTM Cougar MFDs, and TrackIR4 w/Pro Clip. Wife who tolerates it. Cat who thinks she can interrupt at ANY time. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Sessine Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 WarriorX: thanks! Your post really helped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimFreak Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Based on WarriorX guide, I created picture guide. http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3231005/Re_How_to_use_weapons_Picture_.html#Post3231005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron886 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Followed this precisely, but the waypoint was placed in the air, despite the EL: field showing 0. (I also tried "30." target was at 70ft, IIRC.) What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E61-v1T1 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 My little stupid tutorial Sorry about the zoom-ins and outs... had to mod my aging X-52. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZV-RZEIKM&feature=channel_video_title :megalol: Excellent!! :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Hotas TM Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder | Oculus Rift | MSI Z97 Gaming 3| i5-4690K oc 4.5Ghz | 16Gb ddr3 | GTX 1080 Ti | W10 64Bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woots Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) Followed the above tutorial to the letter and doesn't work; I keep getting "CDU input error". Then I realized that JTAC is giving me UTM coordinates with 5 digits during the 9 line, not 6 digits. I tried again last night and he voiced CL33193 (going from memory), but it definitely had only 5 digits. Edited March 17, 2011 by Woots [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRFirefox Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) You have to fill the Line with "0" - as example CL33193 enter CL3300019300 or GG453948 enter GG4530094800 then it works:thumbup: Edited March 17, 2011 by WRFirefox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrongHarm Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 The missing 0 is a known bug. JTAC is supposed to truncate the number, and drop trailing zeros, but only to three digits. I'm sure we'll see a fix for this very soon. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=68894 It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlainSight Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I'm practicing shooting gallery mission and JTAC gives me GG329668, but that's 860 mn AWAY wtf? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRFirefox Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 you have to change the "Easting" coordinate - on CDU one line above the "GGXXXXXXX" input. If the target area is right of your position, then +1 (37T to 38T) and if its left -1 (37T to 36T) but not at all missions! - should work fine (and sorry - my english isnt very well - but ill do my very best:music_whistling:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta9856 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Thanks WarriorX for the guide, im about to test it out now! Oli 'Scarecrow' Lusk Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Intel Core i7 3930K @ 4.20Ghz ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Motherboard 16GB DDR3 RAM EVGA Geforce GTX 680 4GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostiken Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) So how are you supposed to 'know' the easting? Seems a little absurd that that wouldn't be information given in the 9-line... I mean, it works if you're close, but if you're on standby loitering until you're called, you could be called for assignment from a hundred miles away and the easting will be *way* off all the time. This doesn't sound like a real problem that should exist... Edited April 4, 2011 by Frostiken [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorX Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Thanks WarriorX for the guide, im about to test it out now! You are welcome. Let me know if you run into any snags. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomdeplume Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 So how are you supposed to 'know' the easting? Seems a little absurd that that wouldn't be information given in the 9-line... I mean, it works if you're close, but if you're on standby loitering until you're called, you could be called for assignment from a hundred miles away and the easting will be *way* off all the time. This doesn't sound like a real problem that should exist... You can look at the CDU POS page to see your current position. You wouldn't normally contact the JTAC until you're fairly close by, so they're unlikely to be in a different zone than your current position. Moreover, a real pilot will also have various maps and charts with them so they'll know if they're close to a grid border and be prepared to apply a bit of common sense or ask for clarification. Since we can't ask for clarification it'd be nice if they'd include the grid zone in the 9-line all the time. Mind you, it'd also be nice if they used the correct number of digits... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostiken Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Doesn't seem unreasonable. "GJ153920 Easting 37" On that note, at least during the second instant action mission, the JTAC doesn't actually say the second digit of the coordinates. It shows "GJ143920" but he only says "Golf 1 4 3..." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effte Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 If there is any doubt whatsoever, JTAC is supposed to give the grid zone. They don't in DCS, which is a bug. 37T/38T is the grid zone BTW. The easting is the first half of the numbers in the coordinate. The complete MGRS coord would be eg 37TAJ482340. ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shu77 Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Great Tutorial Warrior, I think Im now good with this part of the CDU. Hornet, Super Carrier, Warthog & (II), Mustang, Spitfire, Albatross, Sabre, Combined Arms, FC3, Nevada, Gulf, Normandy, Syria AH-6J i9 10900K @ 5.0GHz, Gigabyte Z490 Vision G, Cooler Master ML120L, Gigabyte RTX3080 OC Gaming 10Gb, 64GB RAM, Reverb G2 @ 2480x2428, TM Warthog, Saitek pedals & throttle, DIY collective, TrackIR4, Cougar MFDs, vx3276-2k Combat Wombat's Airfield & Enroute Maps and Planning Tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorX Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Great Tutorial Warrior, I think Im now good with this part of the CDU. Glad I could help you for a change, as I have been enjoying your Airport Diagrams for months!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying-Kane Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Another method Hi guys, here is my way dealing with JTAC targets, i hook the red triangle on TAD and make it SPI. So i have the exact point on ground. Especially in night JTAC missions it's very helpful. Btw, when JTAC marks target with IR Pointer, can i do a LST??? or what is that IR-Function for? With Lasing the target it works fine, i activate LST and the Pod finds it, but IR-Pointer doesn't work. Sincerely Kane AMD Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4 RAM | NVidia RTX4080 | MSI B550 TOMAHAWK | Creative X-Fi Titanium | Win 10 Pro 64bit | Track IR4 Pro | Thrustmaster Warthog | Saitek Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemises Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I believe LST stands for Laser Search and Track , and it picks up reflected laser light, not IR, so no... However, at night, IR marking can be seen with NVG's whereas laser emissions cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorX Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Hi guys, here is my way dealing with JTAC targets, i hook the red triangle on TAD and make it SPI. So i have the exact point on ground. Especially in night JTAC missions it's very helpful. Hi Kane, Just to clarify, the reason for the Tutiorial was as a backup to the "Red Triangle". The datalink red triange is, as you correctly use it, the best way to get on the target the fastest. But, if you have ever had your SADL Net settings incorrectly set by either user error, or bug, you will want to know this method. It is a very empty feeling when the JTAC says "Standby Data" and nothing shows up on the TAD and you are left with nothing. With the Tutorial, you will be able to get on target if you entered the coordinates while the 9 line brief was being given, or by writing the coordinates down on paper. The alternate reason for making a waypoint from the JTAC coordinates, is that you can always use that waypoint later on if you need to re-prosecute an unfinished attack. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneDust Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Could someone explain the benefit in going through all of this button crunching in a hot area when all you need to do is mark the data symbol JTAC sends you? What am I missing? Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | G2 Rverb VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahger Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 It's a fallback. If the datalink fails you'd be screwed if you didn't know how to use the CDU to find the target via coordinate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneDust Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 It's a fallback. If the datalink fails you'd be screwed if you didn't know how to use the CDU to find the target via coordinate. Ah, okay bud. Thanks :) Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | G2 Rverb VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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