goon3r Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I'm sure there will be a fix for BS, without question. I guess some are just wondering why it has taken so long to fix some issues that popped up or got worse with 1.02. I think we all understand that these guys at ED are obviously hard at work. They've given us 3 titles in 2 years, plus patches. I personally will be playing BS at 1.01 until a new patch is released. Wingman AI alone was enough to make me uninstall 1.02.
Xxx Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 As a new pilot in the KA 50, v 1.02 ( ie never having flown the earlier versions ), I am curious to know whats wrong with the AI wingmen in v1.02 versus v1.01? Am I not using my wingmen correctly? The only thing I have seen is the occasional refusal to do a recon to a data link point. Apart from that, he seems ok, at "excellent" skill level. Just curious as to what needs fixing? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]i7 Haswell @ 4.6Ghz, Z97p, GTX1080, 32GB DDR3, x3SSD, Win7/64, professional. 32" BenQ, TIR 5, Saitek x55 HOTAS. Search User Files for "herky" for my uploaded missions. My flight sim videos on You Tube. https://www.youtube.com/user/David Herky
goon3r Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 As a new pilot in the KA 50, v 1.02 ( ie never having flown the earlier versions ), I am curious to know whats wrong with the AI wingmen in v1.02 versus v1.01? Am I not using my wingmen correctly? The only thing I have seen is the occasional refusal to do a recon to a data link point. Apart from that, he seems ok, at "excellent" skill level. Just curious as to what needs fixing? I probably had 150 to 200 hours on v1.0 and 1.01 before I took a break from BS. I just recently installed 1.02 and started playing again. The wingman has never been particularly smart, but in the 5 or so missions that I played with 1.02 NOT ONCE did he obey any order that I gave him. Pretty much killed the campaigns for me. I've also had issues with sounds not working properly. and the NVG Multiscreen spanning was another killer for me.
dwardlow Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I've been waiting for weeks now after ordering BS and manual from the UK. Wish we hadn't helped them out during the war-maybe we'd get some sort of service if they were German! These people lie and suck as businessmen. Never order anything from them again. 2
msalama Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 NOT ONCE did he obey any order that I gave him. There seems to be a huge variance in how people perceive their wingmen in v1.02. Mine are admittedly a bit dim at times and regularly get their a**es shot down because they blindly rush about at 200m AGL, but when it comes to obeying orders per se they still usually do what I tell them to. The only glaring exception to this is when I order them to attack my target, because that one hardly seems to work at all - I get a negative answer 9 times out of 10 regardless of how many times I send them the info! But as it comes to wingmen in the former versions I plainly can't compare, since I was too much of a rookie at that time still to even command any wingmen just yet... :music_whistling: The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
msalama Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 These people lie and suck as businessmen. Contact their support. Must've been a glitch happened somewhere. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
pappavis Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Today is : 10 March 2011 (10 months since last patch) I do have DCS: A-10C but havent flown it. Besides, on a scale of economics the potential sales from Warthog int the 'states, and elsehwere would probably be more intersting than a unknown russian attack Helo. Though, if ED doesnt release apatch then they break a promise. ED might give us a surprise, who knows. met vriendelijke groet, Михель "умный, спортсмен, комсомолетс" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] [TABLE]SPECS: i9-9900K 32gigs RAM, Geforce 2070RTX, Creative XFi Fata1ity, TIR5, Valve Index & HP Reverb, HOTAS Warthog, Logitech G933 Headset, 10Tb storage.[/TABLE]
connos Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 There seems to be a huge variance in how people perceive their wingmen in v1.02. Mine are admittedly a bit dim at times and regularly get their a**es shot down because they blindly rush about at 200m AGL, but when it comes to obeying orders per se they still usually do what I tell them to. The only glaring exception to this is when I order them to attack my target, because that one hardly seems to work at all - I get a negative answer 9 times out of 10 regardless of how many times I send them the info! But as it comes to wingmen in the former versions I plainly can't compare, since I was too much of a rookie at that time still to even command any wingmen just yet... :music_whistling: I was playing from the day it was release and as Wingman was not excellent it was usable before 1.02. Attack my target before 1.02 was working as I used it a lot. Also the wingman was getting shot less times but with 1.02 he dies most of the times. This is a game break issue as in the campaign you need your wingman missiles. I also notice that if the terrain is flat he obeys your orders to kill targets most of the times and he keeps safe distance but if its rough he overfly his targets and get shot most of the times. I finish the campaign with 1.01 patch but trying that with 1.02 using same strategy its impossible. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ASUS M4A79 Deluxe, AMD Phenom II X4 940@3.5GHz, ATI 6870 1GB, Windows 7 64bit, Kingstone HyperX 4GB, 2x Western Digital Raptor 74GB, Asus Xonar DX Sound Card, Saitek X52 PRO, TrackIR 44: Pro.
Sharkster64 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Way to go Isoul. I agree 100%. They seem to be favouring the A-10c in regards to patches and leaving us high and dry in the Shark. I will not buy A-10c until they continue to patch Black Shark and fix the issues. I use multimonitor, and the Multiplayer interface is all messed up since the last patch. Same with the NVG when using multimonitor. Once these issues are dealt with, along with patching Black Shark to A-10c, (like was promised when the DCS series first came out), I will buy A-10c to support DCS. +1 Isoul. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Call Sign: Warhammer
Eddie Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Black Shark will be patched once the A-10C issues have been dealt with, there is no point in trying to start work on a upgrade patch for BS when some of the features that would be in said patch are not working quite as desired. The BS patch will take time, as unlike the patches for A-10C which are small and only fix a few issues with each patch, the BS upgrade patch will be more similar in complexity to the FC2 upgrade. At least that's my view based on my limited (ie sweet FA) knowledge of programming. Stop being so impatient guys, A-10C is barely out of the door, the dev team can only do one thing at once.
Xxx Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 The last combat sim I flew was Falcon 4.0 Allied Force. I began my BS flying about a month ago. Patched directly to 1.02. I was very pleased with what I saw. Now as my experience increases I do see some problems. In most cases its obviously operator error. However you guys have more experience than me and I agree there are some issues. Once these get sorted I am sure this will be as near perfect as can be, on a PC costing a lot less than a professional militery sim. On the AI issue. I use mine conservatively, but he does do the recon tasks and attacks quite well. Needs to be on "Excellent" skill though. Lastly, I have been trying to use the NDB (ADF ) (6.70 in manual) and find the RMI needle on the HSI does not point to the tuned beacon? Anyone else find this, or is this yet again my ineptitude! My verdict is its a superb sim of a unique attack helo and very, very addictive. A10 is next. But I have to master this first:book: Regards to all. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]i7 Haswell @ 4.6Ghz, Z97p, GTX1080, 32GB DDR3, x3SSD, Win7/64, professional. 32" BenQ, TIR 5, Saitek x55 HOTAS. Search User Files for "herky" for my uploaded missions. My flight sim videos on You Tube. https://www.youtube.com/user/David Herky
Rusty_M Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 If you play it, it wil come! The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine! http://www.twitch.tv/rusty_the_robot https://www.youtube.com/user/RustyRobotGaming
Rusty_M Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I've been waiting for weeks now after ordering BS and manual from the UK. Wish we hadn't helped them out during the war-maybe we'd get some sort of service if they were German! These people lie and suck as businessmen. Never order anything from them again. I find some of that post quite offensive and disrespectful. Anyway, have you chased up your order to resolve your issue in any way? The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine! http://www.twitch.tv/rusty_the_robot https://www.youtube.com/user/RustyRobotGaming
isoul Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Black Shark will be patched once the A-10C issues have been dealt with, there is no point in trying to start work on a upgrade patch for BS when some of the features that would be in said patch are not working quite as desired. The BS patch will take time, as unlike the patches for A-10C which are small and only fix a few issues with each patch, the BS upgrade patch will be more similar in complexity to the FC2 upgrade. At least that's my view based on my limited (ie sweet FA) knowledge of programming. Stop being so impatient guys, A-10C is barely out of the door, the dev team can only do one thing at once. Eddie, unfortunately, it's totally reasonable to wait till all issues of Warthog are solved and then start working on a compatibility patch that may address the Shark issues as well. This is my concern... How long we 'll have to wait and how many DCS modules will be out till the Shark will get the proper attention. The Shark's audience is far from impatient and the fact that devs can do "one thing at a time" should be considered before releasing the Warthog, or at least before making a public announcement concerning only their newest product. I think we all agree that BS audience waited long enough and while the Shark was the only DCS chapter out, before the Warthog's release, it didn't get the required attention since FC2.0 release! The recent announcement came without stating a word about the Shark or mentioning any plans for fixing its long known issues. So, actually no one promised us that there will be fixes to the Shark along with a compatibility patch while no one can ensure us that the next compatibility patch won't implement more bugs that will be fixed after the 3rd DCS module is out in the market... It wouldn't harm ED to announce something about the Shark too. If DCS is a series of modules, ED have to support each module accordingly. Edited March 11, 2011 by isoul
Nate--IRL-- Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 If DCS is a series of modules, ED have to support each module accordingly. What issues to you have regarding the Black Shark Aircraft Module? The Aircraft is the Module, everything else, everything, is the sim engine. The Sim engine gets perpetually upgraded, for free. So are your issues with the Aircraft itself or the simulation engine? Nate 1 Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Rikus Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Nate, i think it´s time to leave that old engine from lomac, and get one new. Greetings
Nate--IRL-- Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 It is being done piece by piece. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
isoul Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) ... So are your issues with the Aircraft itself or the simulation engine? Nate For example, what annoys me most and what is more obvious that anything else, is wingman's AI. Is that an aircraft specific issue (meaning that the AI can't get along with Ka-50 flight model only) or this behavior is carried over to DCS:A-10C Warthog wingman AI, meaning this is a shortcoming of the simulation engine in general? I may misunderstood the concept of module in DCS. But what difference does this make? Would this be addressed earlier if it was in one category or the other? Having an issue present for at least 10 months, no matter if its module related or simulation engine related, is quite long. Making an announcement concerning solely the latest product, while a part of the audience is waiting something for the Shark, is quite disappointing. Stating that the brand new product will, unlike its predecessors, get more frequent updates while you are waiting for 10 months already is, sorry to say, quite annoying. Edited March 11, 2011 by isoul
winz Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Wingman in DCS:A10C isn't much smarter then in DCS:BS, it still follows the same attack patter as in BS/FC 2.0. So don't expect drastic improvement. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3
isoul Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 Wingman in DCS:A10C isn't much smarter then in DCS:BS, it still follows the same attack patter as in BS/FC 2.0. So don't expect drastic improvement. That is why I believe the specific issue should be addressed immediately after it was realized. Now the same obvious issue is plaguing both the Black Shark and the Warthog.
Boberro Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Well IMHO most people play with other people not wingman AI, so is it so important? :) Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
flanker0ne Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) -The manual say: "Fire extinguishing bottle No.1 is charged and ready for use. After bottle "1" has been discharged (either automaticaly or manualy) the light will go OFF". But Fire extinguishing bottle light 1,2 behave inversely to what said in the manual. -Some discrepancy between the manual and the switch of ADF Telegraph-Telephone but I can be wrong, if so....sorry. -The sound of engines is not working properly at shutdown, in fact change if the engines stop sequence is inverted 1 first, then 2 or 2 first then 1 -I do not know if correct, but once the batteries was turned off, should not feel any noise, like in cold start,maybe non istantanious. -implement the thermometer on the roof of the cockpit, PLLLLEASE!!! With dynamic weather this become more important than before. -Green Lights in WPT and TGT Point button on PVI-800 stop working correctly when Cockpit illumination is turned On. -And the last, but not in order of importance, TRIM!!!! Feature: More type of S-8 Rockets like chaff or thermobaric warhead. If a Su-25 is in the ED roadmap the S-8 family must be enlarged, why not by now! The big "T" on the FARP behave like in the reality, turn accordingly with the wind. Tower with real world frequency, I know we can change it by ourself.... A more interactive rearming menu, maybe a popup menu where we can chose the payload almost like in the editor, but now I'm dreaming I know!! Edited March 11, 2011 by flanker0ne 1 SCOPRI DI PIU': https://www.amvi.it/joinus.php DISCORD COMBINEDOPS The Battle Planning Tool
Xxx Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Well IMHO most people play with other people not wingman AI, so is it so important? :) I think its important because you can then choose exactly when you want to "play". On line engagements are commitments and some would find that a burden. Also, as a new Ka-50 pilot, I wouldn't want to burden others with my ineptitude. I get frustrated enough with myself, wouldn't wish myself on to others! Reading over on the A10 forum the issues with AI seem to be being addressed and it all sounds positive. I am still new to the DCS mode of simming, being an old Falcon 4.0 simmer, but I must say I am impressed by the level of attention to detail and enthusiasm everyone has for the sim. The ai in Black Shark, from my limited flying experience ( 30 hours ) seems good, but thats a new guy for you. ;) The enemy ai helicopters, when attacked, will scatter and bug out. This was with one of my own missions. I didn't program them to react that way, but it looked pretty realistic!:thumbup: Regards to all. Edited March 11, 2011 by Accipiter [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]i7 Haswell @ 4.6Ghz, Z97p, GTX1080, 32GB DDR3, x3SSD, Win7/64, professional. 32" BenQ, TIR 5, Saitek x55 HOTAS. Search User Files for "herky" for my uploaded missions. My flight sim videos on You Tube. https://www.youtube.com/user/David Herky
msalama Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Well IMHO most people play with other people not wingman AI, so is it so important? Well AFAIK most generic gamers actually prefer offline - and there's research into this as well, so it's not just me saying so. So yeah, it's actually MUCH more important than you and yours beating me & mine :music_whistling: PS / EDIT. Ach, it's actually coops we're talking about here of course, so can't really say anything one way or another... Edited March 11, 2011 by msalama The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Nate--IRL-- Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) For example, what annoys me most and what is more obvious that anything else, is wingman's AI. Is that an aircraft specific issue (meaning that the AI can't get along with Ka-50 flight model only) or this behavior is carried over to DCS:A-10C Warthog wingman AI, meaning this is a shortcoming of the simulation engine in general? I may misunderstood the concept of module in DCS. But what difference does this make? Would this be addressed earlier if it was in one category or the other? Having an issue present for at least 10 months, no matter if its module related or simulation engine related, is quite long. Making an announcement concerning solely the latest product, while a part of the audience is waiting something for the Shark, is quite disappointing. Stating that the brand new product will, unlike its predecessors, get more frequent updates while you are waiting for 10 months already is, sorry to say, quite annoying. The point I'm making is that the simulation engine (of which the AI is a part) will be constantly be upgraded and improved for years to come. While someone's specific pet bug may not have been addressed in a particular patch does not mean to say it won't be fixed. You seem upset that ED has moved on to another product, the fruit of which you will see, for free, in Black shark. There are economic realities to deal with here too. Wages have to be paid, perpetually patching Black shark does not do this. However they have found a Model that will achieve this and get an income steam. ED could very well have left BS as it is, but continue to support it in a financially viable way. Nate Edited March 11, 2011 by Nate--IRL-- Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
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