Spudman Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 To whom it may concern; just you let you know, I can deploy my speed brakes, but they don't actually slow me down.
Snoopy Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Vague but ok I'll bite.... Are you pulling back on the throttles as well, how much are you opening them? I've never had a problem slowing down when deploying speedbrakes. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Eddie Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Would you care to elaborate? Nobody else seems to have an issue. What conditions are you finding your speed brakes don't slow you down? How about posting a track and providing enough details so people can see your problem and help you with it.
Dejjvid Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 They are not the size of a football field. And they don't defeat earths gravity either. So dont expect them to slow you down if you dive 80 degree. i7 8700K | GTX 1080 Ti | 32GB RAM | 500GB M.2 SSD | TIR5 w/ Trackclip Pro | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder [sigpic]http://www.132virtualwing.org[/sigpic]
Spudman Posted August 4, 2011 Author Posted August 4, 2011 They are not the size of a football field. And they don't defeat earths gravity either. So dont expect them to slow you down if you dive 80 degree. Who said anything about an 80 degree dive?
Nate--IRL-- Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Who said anything about an 80 degree dive? That's the problem, you didn't give enough info. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Spudman Posted August 4, 2011 Author Posted August 4, 2011 Would you care to elaborate? Nobody else seems to have an issue. What conditions are you finding your speed brakes don't slow you down? How about posting a track and providing enough details so people can see your problem and help you with it. When I'm coming in on final and when I touch down, I use them and they don't seem to affect my speed at all. I mainly deploy them after I land, but they don't really slow me. I just have to use my wheel brakes.
159th_Viper Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Untick the 'GAME FLIGHT MODE and/or 'GAME AVIONICS MODE' check-boxes in the SP GUI/Options/Gameplay screen. If already done and you're on SIM mode, then kindly post a track. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
rextar Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 When I'm coming in on final and when I touch down, I use them and they don't seem to affect my speed at all. I mainly deploy them after I land, but they don't really slow me. I just have to use my wheel brakes. The speed brakes dont have that much affect on t dwn Its not reverse thrust. Intel i5 3.2 ghz 8 GB crucial ram gtx 660 superclocked 2gb 500watt corsair psu win7 64bit extreme pro track ir5 Turtle beach x12
EtherealN Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Actually, they do have a pretty big effect, but in that scenario you'll only see the effect if you do a direct comparison between two landings. I'll see if I can make a track set to show this. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
rextar Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Actually, they do have a pretty big effect, but in that scenario you'll only see the effect if you do a direct comparison between two landings. I'll see if I can make a track set to show this. Nobody knows what speed hes deploying them at. Thats my point Intel i5 3.2 ghz 8 GB crucial ram gtx 660 superclocked 2gb 500watt corsair psu win7 64bit extreme pro track ir5 Turtle beach x12
Snoopy Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 They speedbrakes are highly effective above 80 knots (per the C-1). Again, more details on the exact situation would be a great help so we can see what the issue is...operator error or sim... v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
GGTharos Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 He cannot touch down at a speed at which they are -not- effective. They are enormously effective, relieving the wheelbrakes of several million foot-pounds of absorbed energy, and this is reflected in the sim as well. If you brake without the speedbrakes after landing, your rollout will be longer; alternalively, your landing gear will explode, though I don't know how well this is modeled in DCS. Nobody knows what speed hes deploying them at. Thats my point [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
EtherealN Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 I've got a video of it loading, but it's taking ages. However, the results are as follows: Landing at Batumi, clean bird, full fuel, landing at 115knots. In both cases the landing roll takes the whole runway, BUT: Aerobrakes fully extended: crossing numbers at 38knots. Aerobrakes not deployed: crossing numbers at 62knots. Essentially, with aerobrakes deployed, I can just nudge the wheelbrakes and I'll be set. With aerobrakes retracted I'd have to use the wheelbrakes hard. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
GGTharos Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Which can actually be deadly in RL: If you turn around to take off again, overheated (and now uncooled) brakes can cause the wheels to explode: Not the tyres, because they're actually quite tough. Rather the bolts holding the two halves of the rim together will weaken and come apart. This can cause severe damage to the aircraft or, if the aircraft is parked, it could literally cut someone in half if they're close by. The above obviously are N/A DCS but ... maybe at some point. The point is: MINIMIZE wheelbrake use. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Jinja Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 You guys have WAY too much time on your hands! :lol: i7@3.5Ghz, ATI 5870, 16GB RAM, win7 64bit, TH2GO, Track-IR, 4screen pit, TM WArthog HOTAS
EtherealN Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 The above obviously are N/A DCS but ... maybe at some point. I so hope it will get simulated at some point. I suspect a LOT of people would get surprised that their slam-down at 150knots and max wheelbrakes doesn't work well anymore. :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
GGTharos Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Slam down at 150Kts, full wheelbrakes. Fail to pull into hot-brake area and leave the bird. Rearm, refuel, take off inside say, 10 min. 10-30 min later, while in the air ... BANG! Confused pilot . o O (where'd all these fires come from? What hit me?! ... I'm gonna go post about this huge random explosion/damage bug on the ED forum!) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
WildBillKelsoe Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 They are not the size of a football field. And they don't defeat earths gravity either. So dont expect them to slow you down if you dive 80 degree. In fact, expect your wing to come off > 330 KIAs with the brakes open wide.. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
112th_Rossi Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Always deploy speed brakes with throttle at idle, or else what do you expect? They are very effective at bleeding speed. I use them when doing combat landings very effectively.
Frostiken Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) In fact, expect your wing to come off > 330 KIAs with the brakes open wide.. The speed brakes shouldn't even open all the way at those speeds. Edited August 4, 2011 by EtherealN Removed font/color abuse [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
EtherealN Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 I'm sure what he means is as wide as they do open... ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Frostiken Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Dammit Ethereal, you're sabotaging my attempt at making a point against irritating font "styles". [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
EtherealN Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 I know. :P I find them irritating as well, but there are good ways and bad ways to go about it. ;) noc_orthodontist, could you please consider writing in the standard font? If people find they need a larger font to read it, they can press Ctrl and + to enlarge all text on their browser screen. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
ckount Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 To whom it may concern; just you let you know, I can deploy my speed brakes, but they don't actually slow me down. Have you deployed them fully? It's not a toggle switch. You need to hold the B (or HOTAS) key till they are fully deployed. See if that helps. Check F2 view to see what I mean.
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