Next DCS Helicopter Wish List

[AlphaOneSix]

I said it that way to suggest making the D without the radar since I figured that'd be the still really classified part of the Longbow

 

A lot more about the D-model is still classified beyond just the radar.

 

Also, not sure what you're quoting, but the AH-64 in U.S. military service comes in two flavors, the A-model and the D-model. There is no B, B+, or C-model in existence except in some marketer's brochure.

[supraman2turbo]

A lot more about the D-model is still classified beyond just the radar.

 

Also, not sure what you're quoting, but the AH-64 in U.S. military service comes in two flavors, the A-model and the D-model. There is no B, B+, or C-model in existence except in some marketer's brochure.

 

Came from wikipedia. It is my understanding the B, B+, C were planned but cancelled in favor of just using the A and D.

 

And I didn't know that, well that sucks, I would love a DCS Apache or Longbow module. I wasted my youth playing the JCS Longbow 1 and 2

[Isegrim]

5 Votes for A129 :music_whistling::thumbup:

[chromium]

5 Votes for A129 :music_whistling::thumbup:

 

me, for example.. ;)

[empeck]

Voted 'other'. I'd love to see a classic Mi-24 Hind, not Super Hind version.

[msalama]

Plus its an iconic aircraft

 

This. Most empathically. Although I'd freekin' DIE of joy if ED did an 80's kind of scenario and actually modelled the Mi-24...

 

But the Super Hind will more than do at any rate. Ohhhh yesssiree.

[msalama]

I'd love to see a classic Mi-24 Hind, not Super Hind version.

 

Indeed!!!

[thaisocom]

The Longbow is the radar. Without it, it's just an AH-64D Apache. There is no C-model.

:thumbup:

 

[AlphaOneSix]

I'm partial to the A-model, myself. :D

 

That's me in the middle with my two pilots during Operation Desert Storm.

 

[Isegrim]

 

I also prefer MI 24 to MI 35

 

But why not some European one.

[Eddie]

 

I also prefer MI 24 to MI 35

 

But why not some European one.

 

European attack helicopter? Sounds good, Apache AH-1 it is then. :D

 

Never gonna happen, but we can dream.

[Speed]

A lot more about the D-model is still classified beyond just the radar.

 

Also, not sure what you're quoting, but the AH-64 in U.S. military service comes in two flavors, the A-model and the D-model. There is no B, B+, or C-model in existence except in some marketer's brochure.

 

Umm... I know you work on these things, but all the sources I've read have either implied or indicated that all Apaches are now AH-64Ds. Since 1997, after playing Janes Longbow 2, what I have understood is that the D doesn't refer to the inclusion or exclusion of the Longbow radar. The D refers to an upgraded avionics suite. Maybe a few other things are upgraded as well, I donno. But on all AH-64Ds, you can optionally mount a Longbow radar. Then it becomes an AH-64D Longbow Apache. Without the radar, it's just an AH-64D. But the "D" has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the Apache actually has a Longbow radar installed, all it means is that a radar could be mounted on the chopper if desired. In fact, from what I've heard, they've been flying without radars in Afghanistan the whole time.

 

So is any of this a misconception, and if so, where am I wrong? Do they still have some old, un-upgraded AH-64As flying around?

 

And is the British Westland Apache really better than the American one? They keep boasting about it, claiming the UK has the best AH in the world, danged Brits.

Edited September 2, 2011 by Speed

[thaisocom]

European attack helicopter? Sounds good, Apache AH-1 it is then. :D

 

Never gonna happen, but we can dream.

And we're back to Apache. :doh:

[supraman2turbo]

Okay fine we can do a eurocopter tiger, I'm cool with that

[AlphaOneSix]

So is any of this a misconception, and if so, where am I wrong? Do they still have some old, un-upgraded AH-64As flying around?

 

I think there is some confusion, but mostly you and I are saying the exact same thing. As far as I know, there are no AH-64A's in service with the U.S. military. What I meant to say was that there has only ever been A-models or D-models in U.S. military service. All A-models by now should have returned to the factory and been rebuilt as D-models.

 

But yes, as for the rest, we are saying the same thing. D-model without radar, AH-64D Apache. WITH radar, AH-64D Longbow Apache.

 

And is the British Westland Apache really better than the American one? They keep boasting about it, claiming the UK has the best AH in the world, danged Brits.

 

The Westland version dropped the GE engines in favor of Rolls-Royce engines which produce more power, although this advantage is not as dramatic now that the Block III D-models have newer engines as well.

 

Original -701C engines on AH-64D: 1,890 shaft horsepower each

Rolls Royce engines on AH Mk I: 2,100 shp each

Newer -701D engines on Block III AH-64D: 2,000 shp each

[Eddie]

Now probably not as much as it was, but we made over 200 modifications to the US Longbow for our version, including the new engines as Alpha mentioned and a totally new defensive aids suite. And a hell of a lot of other small things here and there.

 

I dare say of lot of these have been included in US longbows by now (apart from the UKEO aspects of course), and no doubt more besides. Of course our have been modded as well, so really unless you've flown/worked on both it's probably impossible to say.

 

Of course we don't fly our Apaches without the Longbow radar, so that's a plus.

[Isegrim]

Apache is US Design!

As long as UK use the Apache they fly a US Helicopter for me...Doesnt matter how much Mods done on it.

 

The Tiger is to new to build....and the German version is scrap it has proplems with cutting cables in flight by Vibration.

 

In my opinion its a better chóice to build a little more unknown Helicopter. And later be surpriced of it how cool it is.:thumbup:

 

I dont really want to see a Apache it would be OK but why?

Cause the whole world says : Yeah Apache?????

 

Everybody knows this Helicopter and its overrated and Boring to me. :noexpression:

All US Designs are overrated for me. Its not like that i hate them but they are really boring to me.:noexpression:

..... I was so Positve Surpriced about the Shark so US lost the Dominance.

And then ED build the A10 C and i liked it till i flown it in DCS.....I dont like it anymore sorry.

 

There much more good helicopter designs like Rooivalk or Mangusta.:smilewink:

Why not these???

[Frostiken]

And is the British Westland Apache really better than the American one? They keep boasting about it, claiming the UK has the best AH in the world, danged Brits.

They may have at some point, but at this point in time they probably sold them all for spare parts, fired all their pilots, or pushed them off the end of a carrier into the ocean to save money.

[EtherealN]

Very funny.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13651736

[Eddie]

They may have at some point, but at this point in time they probably sold them all for spare parts, fired all their pilots, or pushed them off the end of a carrier into the ocean to save money.

 

Surprisingly not. The Army AH and RAF Typhoon & Chinook fleets are about the only things that they haven't hammered. It doesn't matter, we've been doing everything they want with bugger all for years, you get used to it.

[HiJack]

Nice video there also

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13541379

[Cowboy10uk]

Surprisingly not. The Army AH and RAF Typhoon & Chinook fleets are about the only things that they haven't hammered. It doesn't matter, we've been doing everything they want with bugger all for years, you get used to it.

 

Yes that's true, these have been let off the main cuts, however the ground crew that service and refuel them have been hit hard. Quite a few of my mates who have served their country proudly for years were told earlier this week that they are being made redundant.

 

Remember the old saying, Without fuel pilots are pedestrians.

 

We may have left the helis alone, however we have no one to refuel , service or transport the spare parts they need. I'll leave it to your thoughts as to what this will mean in the future.

 

 

Sorry if I sound depressed, but after being betrayed by my government after giving many yrs of service and putting the Military before my families needs, well I guess I am Bloody Depressed.

[Eddie]

We may have left the helis alone, however we have no one to refuel , service or transport the spare parts they need. I'll leave it to your thoughts as to what this will mean in the future.

 

You'll have to do the job with the same number of people the RAF have been doing the job with for years. In fact, based off my experience with the AAC you'll still probably have more people.

 

But this is a whole other subject.

[Frostiken]

I'm surprised this thread went on this long without someone pining for those irritating "Little Birds" that nobody cared about until after Black Hawk Down came out.

[AlphaOneSix]

Hah! Wrong on so many levels...

 

But anyway nobody seems to be interested in any of the smaller helos, just pure gunships or the larger utility/cargo birds.