FreeFall Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 His sound/tone is pretty hard/strict/harsh/severe. Am I doing something wrong, I ask myself? I did hit the target(s) OK anyway? :confused: Later I found out "Abort, abort, abort!!!" means I'm doing something wrong, right? Is there any JTAC vocabulary available? :joystick:
ralfidude Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 It depends on the situation. Either you hit something you shouldnt have, you hit your target and its telling you to back off, someone else hit it and you are no longer needed, or he lost visual over it? Could be anything really... [sIGPIC]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/ralfidude/redofullalmost_zpsa942f3fe.gif[/sIGPIC]
FreeFall Posted December 24, 2011 Author Posted December 24, 2011 It depends on the situation. Either you hit something you shouldnt have I pretty much hit the target I am supposed to. :)
WarthogSmurf Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 abort abort abort means somebody else took out the target . Happend to me when my wingman sniped my target 2 seconds before my missle hits. Needless to say he is looking for another job right about now. (lucky I didnt shot him on sight)
WarriorX Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 That JTAC message can also be triggered if you use a weapon on the JTAC's target that was not specifically requested in the 9-Line brief. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial
Zenra Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 I'm getting this message, too, and am not understanding why. In a mission I've flown several times before (Bahger's MIDNIGHT RUN) I release the requested LGB on the bunker he's laser designated. Just before the bomb hits the JTAC calls "TERMINATE, TERMINATE...", immediately followed by "Good hits. Target Destroyed. Thanks, that's all for now...". As i said, i've flown this mission several times but never got this before 1.1.1.1, so maybe something about the logic changed? Zenra Intel i7 930 2.8GHz; ATI HD5850 1GB; 1TB Serial ATA-II; 12GB DDR3-1333; 24 x DL DVD+/-RW Drive; 800W PSU; Win7-64; TM Warthog HOTAS
Tholozor Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 The 'TERMINATE' call is when the JTAC obtains a positive visual that the target (group) is destroyed during a Type 1 or Type 2 engagement. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
joey45 Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Can there a an idiot guide to this? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
BoneSaw Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 abort abort abort means somebody else took out the target . Happend to me when my wingman sniped my target 2 seconds before my missle hits. Needless to say he is looking for another job right about now. (lucky I didnt shot him on sight) Yeah I had the same issue with the on call CAS flight. Now I don't cut them lose until I have prosecuted my primary. In fact more often then not I don't cut them lose until I am Winchester. I can't stand having a juicy tank all locked up only to see it friggin' explode just before I rifle.
Zenra Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 The 'TERMINATE' call is when the JTAC obtains a positive visual that the target (group) is destroyed during a Type 1 or Type 2 engagement. Makes sense, but seems to be just a tad out of order in my last three tries in the MIDNIGHT RUN mission. Zenra Intel i7 930 2.8GHz; ATI HD5850 1GB; 1TB Serial ATA-II; 12GB DDR3-1333; 24 x DL DVD+/-RW Drive; 800W PSU; Win7-64; TM Warthog HOTAS
Zenra Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 In fact more often then not I don't cut them lose until I am Winchester. I can't stand having a juicy tank all locked up only to see it friggin' explode just before I rifle. Or worse yet, right after I rifle... Zenra Intel i7 930 2.8GHz; ATI HD5850 1GB; 1TB Serial ATA-II; 12GB DDR3-1333; 24 x DL DVD+/-RW Drive; 800W PSU; Win7-64; TM Warthog HOTAS
BoneSaw Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Or worse yet, right after I rifle... No doubt, that's one of those moments when I am yelling at the screen F&CK YOU!
Jona33 Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Not too bad. You could end up like the angry german kid. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
FreeFall Posted December 24, 2011 Author Posted December 24, 2011 One more question: If the target is for example 3 tanks and the JTAC is lasing one of them, with mavericks it would be easy to take them out with one run. Should I kill only this lased one first and wait until the second one is lased? And then destroy it. And so on. Of course if I use CBU-97, they'll all be gone with the first run anyway.
FreeFall Posted December 24, 2011 Author Posted December 24, 2011 The 'TERMINATE' call is when the JTAC obtains a positive visual that the target (group) is destroyed during a Type 1 or Type 2 engagement. Sounds right. But what does the "Stop" part mean?
FreeFall Posted January 3, 2012 Author Posted January 3, 2012 The 'TERMINATE' call is when the JTAC obtains a positive visual that the target (group) is destroyed during a Type 1 or Type 2 engagement. Actually just missed the target, and still got the "TERMINATE". :confused:
roob Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 You have to respond to the JTAC with all the commands he wants after the 9-line readback... The "IN" etc. Usually F1 all the way untill he stops being chatty :) My DCS stream [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Past broadcasts, Highlights Currently too much to do... But watch and (maybe) learn something :)
FreeFall Posted January 10, 2012 Author Posted January 10, 2012 I go all the way with the commands, I think. I'm "In" and get the "Clear In Hot". After releasing the bomb I also give the "Off".
roob Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Have they done something with the 1.1.1.1 patch? 'Cause all I get to say to the JTAC now is "ATTACK COMPLETE". He just gives the "Clear to engage" instantly. I think the "Clear to engage" is the queue you're looking for to be able to attack the target without the "TERMINATE!" or "ABORT!" happening (unless the target gets destroyed or something else out of the ordinary happens). My DCS stream [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Past broadcasts, Highlights Currently too much to do... But watch and (maybe) learn something :)
Jona33 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Have they done something with the 1.1.1.1 patch? 'Cause all I get to say to the JTAC now is "ATTACK COMPLETE". He just gives the "Clear to engage" instantly. I think the "Clear to engage" is the queue you're looking for to be able to attack the target without the "TERMINATE!" or "ABORT!" happening (unless the target gets destroyed or something else out of the ordinary happens). Probably using type three engagement rules where he just tells you to hit the stuff and tell him when you're done. Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
roob Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Probably using type three engagement rules where he just tells you to hit the stuff and tell him when you're done. Ah yeah... All missions I flew to make a useful track of how to JTAC was type 3 ^^ Hence, no useful track :music_whistling: My DCS stream [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Past broadcasts, Highlights Currently too much to do... But watch and (maybe) learn something :)
Jepp Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 STOP = stop IR illumination of a target TERMINATE = stop laser illumination of a target http://forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=1181372&postcount=7
tflash Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I also noticed the JTAC is a little nervous and starts yelling over the radio ... but in the end he always comes up with "you may depart" and the only thing I'm concerned with is looking though the TGP to see whether I hit the target; often you're lucky and you take out two for the price of one missile! We do need a "shut up and take cover" message :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
FreeFall Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 STOP = stop IR illumination of a target TERMINATE = stop laser illumination of a target http://forum.lockon.ru/showpost.php?p=1181372&postcount=7 Jepp, thanks for the information and link! TERMINATE 1. [A/S] Stop laser illumination of a target. 2. In training, cease local engagement without affecting the overall exercise.Didn't know the 1st one at all. I was mainly fixated on the 2nd one (= cease engagement). So I think I understand the JTAC better now.
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