Corrigan Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 This is something which is clearly possible in the engine. By half a wing missing, I mean broken off at the joint between the flat and angled part, by the landing gear housing. Is this realistic? I'd say no, but I'm no expert. What do the more informed members say? Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5
Mugenjin Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 inb4 F-15 landing after losing a wing. So half a wing for an A-10 should be easy ^^
SmokeyTheLung Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 The A10 was designed to fly with half a wing missing... Not saying that makes the behavior you mentioned correct, I really don't know enough to say, but interesting fact none the less System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer
roob Posted May 15, 2012 Posted May 15, 2012 It's designed to take a good beating. There were numerous incidents during the first gulf (and second) war where the A-10's came home missing parts of their structures. But since implementing a way to determine each possible scenario with part of a wing missing is impossible, this is realistic enough :) inb4 F-15 landing after losing a wing. So half a wing for an A-10 should be easy ^^ Well, unlike the A-10 the F-15 is essentially a flying wing from the start ;) My DCS stream [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Past broadcasts, Highlights Currently too much to do... But watch and (maybe) learn something :)
badger66 Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 I mean broken off at the joint between the flat and angled part On the chine , thats whats that change is structure is called .
RoaringBones Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 It's designed to take a good beating. There were numerous incidents during the first gulf (and second) war where the A-10's came home missing parts of their structures. But since implementing a way to determine each possible scenario with part of a wing missing is impossible, this is realistic enough :) Well, unlike the A-10 the F-15 is essentially a flying wing from the start ;) If the F-15 is a flying wing from the start what do you call This ???
RoaringBones Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 Sorry for double post but too be fair This guy did a pretty good job limping his F-15 home with one wing,one full wing and half of the other. :thumbup:
ralfidude Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 I manage to fly the damn thing, but never to land it... Too slow and you lose all controll and spins out, too fast and it bounces on contact with the runway... I have yet to perfect it... [sIGPIC]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/ralfidude/redofullalmost_zpsa942f3fe.gif[/sIGPIC]
roob Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 (edited) If the F-15 is a flying wing from the start what do you call This http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/010323-F-0966E-003.jpg??? The very definition of a flying wing? Edited May 16, 2012 by roob My DCS stream [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Past broadcasts, Highlights Currently too much to do... But watch and (maybe) learn something :)
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Depth Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 No problem But if you get tail damage it's near impossible [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Corrigan Posted May 16, 2012 Author Posted May 16, 2012 Nice landing! In my two or so tries, I haven't managed. In any case, the flight model does have some inconsistencies. You can still roll without any wings, for example, just by controlling your (non-existent) ailerons. Win10 x64 | SSDs | i5 2500K @ 4.4 GHz | 16 GB RAM | GTX 970 | TM Warthog HOTAS | Saitek pedals | TIR5
ralfidude Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 You had way too much control. Seems like an old version. Try that in the current version. You wouldnt be able to turn to the right without full right rudder and foreward stick to the max and above 230 knots. [sIGPIC]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/ralfidude/redofullalmost_zpsa942f3fe.gif[/sIGPIC]
FreeFall Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 How about limping home with half of your tail missing? I mean, with only one rudder/elevator left. IMHO with DCS A-10C sim you can stay airborne pretty easily (must use pedals), but the landing is hard to perform because the aircraft really does fly in a weird position. BTW, it's kinda easy to deliberately lose parts of your tail if you wanna simulate this situation; just dive close to the ground and pull the stick hard so that your tail touches the ground. :)
zipdigital Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 If the F-15 is a flying wing from the start what do you call This ??? I call it...awesome. Batman's "other" car. Hahaha! Well done! "Sol" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron
213 Posted May 17, 2012 Posted May 17, 2012 the f-15 isn't a flying wing. if it is, anything that has a wing can be called a flying wing. this is why being specific matters.
ralfidude Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 Well it is due to its unbelievably flat shape at the belly, with high speed it was able to fly because it produced its own lift. At least thats what the engineers concluded after the event. [sIGPIC]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/ralfidude/redofullalmost_zpsa942f3fe.gif[/sIGPIC]
Couladin Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) The F-15C can fly and land with no wings at all (In flaming cliffs 2 at least) I also managed to fly at desired altitude and in desired drection in a F-15C with one wing, but i have yet to be able to land it. Edited June 15, 2012 by Siskin Oh Eagle D whom we love, Hallowed be thy code Thy Warthogs come, Thy CAS be done On Land as it is in Sky Give us our patch And forgive our trolling. And we forgive those that troll against us Lead us not into whining But deliver us from bugs For thine is the engine, the performance, and the glory Rifle.
Rotareneg Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 Lifting body is the correct term, not flying wing. According to Wikipedia, the fuselage of an F-14 produces approximately 40 to 60 percent of the aerodynamic lifting surface depending on the wing sweep position.
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 Something is wrong with that F-15 with no wings. NO wing = no ailerons. Only so much can be done with rudder and throttle. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org)
Tailgate Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 In the OP there's a shot of the warning panel at 1:10, you'd think it would be lit up like a Christmas tree. Hmm.
Couladin Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Something is wrong with that F-15 with no wings. NO wing = no ailerons. Only so much can be done with rudder and throttle. 63 I can post a track if you want. I'm not particularly familiar with the mechanics of the F-15 so i assumed it rolls with the smaller wing like shapes at the tail, close to the rudder. In the video when i got close to the runway, i went up for 3 reasons... check aoa at landing speed, extend landing gear, and be able to recover if any weird forces act on the plane when gear goes down. As for the feel... it felt like just a loss of hydraulics and heavier than maximum possible load. Of course, the "heavy" feeling was actually the loss of lift from the missing wings. Edited June 15, 2012 by Siskin Oh Eagle D whom we love, Hallowed be thy code Thy Warthogs come, Thy CAS be done On Land as it is in Sky Give us our patch And forgive our trolling. And we forgive those that troll against us Lead us not into whining But deliver us from bugs For thine is the engine, the performance, and the glory Rifle.
Rotareneg Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 I'm not particularly familiar with the mechanics of the F-15 so i assumed it rolls with the smaller wing like shapes at the tail, close to the rudder. Correct, it moves the stabilators differentially for roll control.
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 try half a rudder :doh:. Yes, sireee!! was fun though. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Megagoth1702 Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 inb4 F-15 landing after losing a wing. So half a wing for an A-10 should be easy ^^ Well, unlike the A-10 the F-15 is essentially a flying wing from the start ;) You can really in no way compare the F15 and the A-10... The F15 body already produces lift or at least it's not as useless as the round a-10 hull. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System specs:2500k @ 4.6 GHz 8GB RAM HD7950 OC'd Win7 x64 Posting tracks to make your DCS better - attention bump incoming!
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