Next DCS Helicopter Wish List

[Eis]

I dont think that the time between the modules is long... With the percentage of reality that DCS Team is working, 2 years time is normal I think... BS came out (If I remember right) December of 2008, WH is going to be released ( I believe) until December...

 

And don't forget that some work is already done with the Apache, because it was in release plans ...

 

Well then how did jane's longbow do it 10 years ago ?

 

Do you compare the Janes Longbow with the DCS: BS? Or you just want to fly a fake Apache?

Edited July 29, 2010 by Eis

[EtherealN]

Why wait for military contracts when you can satisfy the desktop simmers and generate revenue now.

 

Because the military contracts pay money and are pretty much a requisite to be able to achieve the level of detail in the simulation that you will have gotten used to after the Shark and Hog. Also, ED isn't about "satisfying desktop simmers and generating revenue now". ED is about "satisfying desktop simmers AND military clients and generating revenue both now and for the foreseeable future".

 

Of course, ED could work like Fighter Ops as a purely commercial product and be done faster. Or wait... Hmm... ;)

 

I don't mean to sound negative, I just see alot of potential in the ED sim family, and I want to see it reach it's full potential in my lifetime.

 

I'm having these same problems with some of my other favorite sims, Steel Beasts pro pe, and Combat Mission.......

 

So maybe you should see the pattern and realize that there is a reason why things take time?

 

Low price.

Quick delivery.

Quality.

 

Choose any two. ;)

[CyBerkut]

Jane's Longbow may be considered to be the best available, but that is not to say it is as accurate a study simulation as, for instance DCS:BS. Also, notice what happened to Jane's when they tried to please too many people rather than focus on what matters most. (Do a search on here for "Jane's" and "parable").

 

As for Falcon 4.0, I don't recall Lead Pursuit having anything to do with it over 10 years ago. Go back and look at who did it back then, and look where they are now.... And then you may see the point of why E.D.'s business approach should be respected, if not applauded. Many of us would like to see E.D. "live long and prosper". Yes, waiting for the next offering can try the patience... but that is often the way of the world when it comes to "good things".

 

Well then how did jane's longbow do it 10 years ago ?

 

It seems thats the standard for Apache sims right ?

 

How did leadpursuit do it with Falcon 4.0 over 10 years ago ?

 

They set the standard for F-16 sims right ?

[GGTharos]

Well then how did jane's longbow do it 10 years ago ?

 

What did they do? They took a -10 IIRC and implemented parts of it. The flight model was alright at the time, but nothing compared to Black Shark's.

Cockpit switchology was practically non-existant.

 

Finaly, Jane's is not DCS. DCS is ALL about high-fidelity modeling. If they cannot get enough information on an aircraft,

 

 

How did leadpursuit do it with Falcon 4.0 over 10 years ago ?

 

They set the standard for F-16 sims right ?

 

I don't know, kinda hard to do something before you exist, don't you think? Microprose was not the only company producing an F-16 flight sim, and it had about the same fidelity as Jane's Longbow, too. It was NOTHING like what it is today.

 

On the matter of not worrying about secrecy: ED cannot implement anything that has a SECRET stamp on it unless they have official permission, or they will get black-listed from military contracts, AFAIK, and that is not the way to go.

 

DCS is meant to be a high-fi series ... logic would dictate that your proposals are not logical at all in this respect. Same with finances. You cannot up and say 'x would be the logical thing to do' when you are either unaware of or choose to ignore factors which are important to the company's financial and business well-being.

[fearlessfrog]

Does anyone know if the AV8B or even the Harrier GR7 still have classified info on them? A VSTOL study sim would make a wonderful DCS module, suit the engine really well...

 

Just saying :)

[Eis]

Does anyone know if the AV8B or even the Harrier GR7 still have classified info on them? A VSTOL study sim would make a wonderful DCS module, suit the engine really well...

 

Just saying :)

 

Man, this is not the right topic... This is for the Apache.

 

You can ask on the Next DCS Aircraft Wishlist...;)

[MTFDarkEagle]

...ED is gonna have to speed up production...

I don't agree. It takes a lot of time to make a simulation like this, if they speed up production, they have to half-arse some things, and that's not good with the grade of simulation here. It has to be patched later on, etc.. Better do it right the first time, and deliver it later.

[ViperTech]

I don't agree. It takes a lot of time to make a simulation like this, if they speed up production, they have to half-arse some things, and that's not good with the grade of simulation here. It has to be patched later on, etc.. Better do it right the first time, and deliver it later.

 

Full ack. Good things need time. If u look back u see that ED don't release things that are buggy like hell. They try to work as close as possible to the real complement of the fighters/helis and keep the final product bug-free.

 

Better waiting a little more than getting buggy and half done products. ED ISN'T M$ ;)

[Booger]

Of course, ED could work like Fighter Ops as a purely commercial product and be done faster. Or wait... Hmm... ;)

 

Yup! There's a lot less Colonel's over there these days. I can't imagine why.

 

 

Finaly, Jane's is not DCS. DCS is ALL about high-fidelity modeling.

 

Well said GG. A huge difference between a "sim" and a "game".

 

Does anyone know if the AV8B or even the Harrier GR7 still have classified info on them? A VSTOL study sim would make a wonderful DCS module, suit the engine really well...

 

Agreed. I honestly don't think so, but I'm not 100% positive.

 

Man, this is not the right topic... This is for the Apache.

 

You can ask on the Next DCS Aircraft Wishlist...;)

 

EVERY topic should have a DCS: Harrier discussion going on.

 

 

 

Even still, an Apache would be fantastic.

[sweinhart3]

i gotta ask. Is it normal for Mi-24 to engage A-10? They keep engaging me in FC2 with gun and its dead accurate. Few hits and Im down. In BS, if I even try to engage a helicopter that is moving around muchless a fixed winged aircraft, I pretty much have to get lucky and hope the AI is being stupid to bring it down.

[Speed]

I would imagine this is unlikely to happen in the next 5 years.

 

So we won't see another DCS module? Or does ED have other contracts we don't know about? Is there somewhere in the public domain that we can see what contracts ED has for various aircraft in TBS? Is the only hope we have of seeing another DCS module after A-10 if ED can convince some military somewhere to fund a new aircraft module for TBS?

[GGTharos]

No, you will not see what ED's lineup is until ED announce it ... which as far as I can tell, they will do on a module by module basis. They definitely have something lined up after A-10C.

 

So we won't see another DCS module? Or does ED have other contracts we don't know about? Is there somewhere in the public domain that we can see what contracts ED has for various aircraft in TBS? Is the only hope we have of seeing another DCS module after A-10 if ED can convince some military somewhere to fund a new aircraft module for TBS?

[159th_Viper]

i gotta ask. Is it normal for Mi-24 to engage A-10? They keep engaging me in FC2 with gun and its dead accurate. Few hits and Im down.....

 

If you're within the Hind's WEZ then it stands to reason that he's gonna tag you. Ideally you should be up at 4000m+ AGL.

 

Low and Slow = Puaʻa Kālua

:P

[Mercury]

i gotta ask. Is it normal for Mi-24 to engage A-10? They keep engaging me in FC2 with gun and its dead accurate. Few hits and Im down. In BS, if I even try to engage a helicopter that is moving around muchless a fixed winged aircraft, I pretty much have to get lucky and hope the AI is being stupid to bring it down.

 

KGB stole a hair from Chuck Norris and made a bunch of clones. It makes sense now :megalol:

[CAT_101st]

If you're within the Hind's WEZ then it stands to reason that he's gonna tag you. Ideally you should be up at 4000m+ AGL.

 

Low and Slow = Puaʻa Kālua

 

:P

 

I beg to differ. I had a MI 24 clime to angels 10 to shoot at me with a vicher. He missed and he paid for his misstake with his life. The A-10 was desind for low and slow CAS missions. Below 10,000 is the home of the A-10:D

[159th_Viper]

I beg to differ.....

 

No Worries - You'll change your mind soon enough after release ;)

 

:D

[EtherealN]

I beg to differ. I had a MI 24 clime to angels 10 to shoot at me with a vicher. He missed and he paid for his misstake with his life. The A-10 was desind for low and slow CAS missions. Below 10,000 is the home of the A-10:D

 

Hind with Vikhrs? ;)

Sorry, I just had to make at least one light-hearted post tonight. :)

 

Oh, and Viper, don't tease the guy too much, lest he explode. :P

[CAT_101st]

what ever he shot at me it was a air to ground missle. I know I built the mission.

[159th_Viper]

9M114 Cocoon

[Speed]

No Worries - You'll change your mind soon enough after release ;)

 

:D

 

I beg to differ...

Some people never learn ;)

[Eis]

Vikhrs can be used again aircrafts IF they fly with speed up to 800 km/h (432kts approximately).

 

A-10s maximun speed at sea level is 381 kts I think. So Russian Helis are able to engage A-10s.

 

My question is: Is Hellfire eligible to engage aircrafts? Or it works live Mavs and can only engage Helis, with their speed up to 65 kts?

[GGTharos]

Hellfire has been used to engage aircraft RL - Israeli Apache vs. airspace-violating cessna.

 

As for the speed capability on the Vikhr, this is almost certainly an approaching/receding speed, and probably has to do with the fuze. Lateral velocity capability is like much, much smaller.

[Eis]

Hellfire has been used to engage aircraft RL - Israeli Apache vs. airspace-violating cessna.

 

That's good. Because if Hellfire can engage 100-140 kts Cessnas, it can also engage a low-speed flying Ka-50. :thumbup:

[Slayer]

When I was in the USAF we got to see a declassified video of the Apache taking out an Iraqi chopper in the first gulf war, he used a hellfire. Wish I had that movie but it was before DVD and we all had to watch it in the base theater...

[sweinhart3]

Well in Blackshark it is very difficult to lock up a moving air target unless they are moving head on or away from you. The AI though is able to lock me up no problem when Im flying A-10 regardless of my aspect ratio to them. Im also amazed at how easily they spoof AIM-9. More times than not my missiles miss unless I am within its own WEZ and coming from behind which isnt very easy when they just swing around and fire a few cannon rounds. Then Im dead.