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You're aiming you gun/gunpod. 'LA' appears right where you're trying to see. Seriously, could they not have put this elsewhere?

 

You're using computer-aiming, the target marker and pipper sight are exactly the same leading to confusion as to which is which when manoeuvring close on target.

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When I was serving I had the opportunity to check out a lot of russian-built stuff (mostly inherited from the former East Germany), and let´s just say ergonomics don´t rank high at all with russian designers and engineers.

 

Most of their machines are downright uncomfortable, cramped and painful to look at (that green/blueish color everywhere.. ugh..), and some systems can be easily confused under stress. You wouldn´t believe how the interiors of russian tanks are designed when you are used to western tanks. It just boggles your mind.

 

So yeah, "russian ergonomics" would be quite an oxymoron. However, the good thing is that this makes their machines easy to build in large numbers and their simplicity makes them quite rugged and easily repairable in the field.

When a western tank breaks down for whatever reason, it needs to be towed to the back and specialists need to take care of it. When a russian tank breaks down, you can fix 98% of the problems with a sledge hammer, a wrench and some duct tape.

 

Well, that´s my experience anyway.


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You're aiming you gun/gunpod. 'LA' appears right where you're trying to see. Seriously, could they not have put this elsewhere?

 

You're using computer-aiming, the target marker and pipper sight are exactly the same leading to confusion as to which is which when manoeuvring close on target.

 

Start doing it right and your 'perceived problems' will go away.

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Start doing it right and your 'perceived problems' will go away.

Well that's another typically useless unconstructive piece of criticism.:huh:

 

Steeper dives do help but the HUD design is shit. The resolution is so poor that the icon lines are 20 times wider than the target. The icons are stupidly shaped and block everything. Could definitely be improved.

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Well that's another typically useless unconstructive piece of criticism.:huh:

 

Fortunately for you it's the truth. For what it's worth, you really should stop belabouring issues that are really not issues at all. Read the manual and employ weapons in accordance with the doctrine as outlined in said manual and you will indeed realise, much to your satisfaction, that your perceived problems do indeed go away.

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Fortunately for you it's the truth. For what it's worth, you really should stop belabouring issues that are really not issues at all. Read the manual and employ weapons in accordance with the doctrine as outlined in said manual and you will indeed realise, much to your satisfaction, that your perceived problems do indeed go away.

Wrong.

 

^Seen as we're on the subject of unconstructive criticism.

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So there's nothing you'd change about the gun/rocket sight on the Su-25T?

 

I guess that's why some people are designers and others are testers.

I'd want a more realistic HUD, but the present one in its simplicity doesn't give me any issues.

 

 


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I'd want a more realistic HUD, but the present one in its simplicity doesn't give me any issues.

 

 

 

Well that iconography actually looks much better but it's nothing like what you see in the game. Where is that?


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It's actually a 25SM but the whole HUD concept is a mile away from what is in DCSW, not least the fine lines. But then again Su25T is free.

True.:D I assumed that because of DCS's usual insistence on accuracy that the Su-25T was modelled near perfectly but I guess with it being a freebie, it isn't.

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True.:D I assumed that because of DCS's usual insistence on accuracy that the Su-25T was modelled near perfectly but I guess with it being a freebie, it isn't.

 

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Not only it isn't DCS, it's an aircraft that is in constant flux. There's little to no information about its avionics that can be accessed publicly.

 

True.:D I assumed that because of DCS's usual insistence on accuracy that the Su-25T was modelled near perfectly but I guess with it being a freebie, it isn't.

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The flight model is simply excellent, and as good as the DCS series. Remember that the Su-25T and Su-25 from Flaming Cliffs were the first ones to get the advanced flight model.

 

The HUD is also pretty accurate. That video is from an SM, a much more recent upgrade. Keep in mind the T is pretty much 1980's tech.

 

The main differences from the T and the rest of the DCS series are the lack of clickable cockpit and the missing systems (power, radio, etc), which means you don't get to start-up your bird properly, but once you are up and running, the experience is pretty much the same.

 

And if you've flown the Shark you'll also notice that the weapons systems are almost as accurate, but with a lot more choice this time.

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Not only it isn't DCS, it's an aircraft that is in constant flux. There's little to no information about its avionics that can be accessed publicly.

If ED wanted Sukhoi would give them access to papers. ED has already good mark after coop with Kamov.

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Would just like to note that a russian user gave me a "-" for my posting in this thread and told me the following: "**** you, your grandfathers sucked uncomfortable cramped russian dick bitch"

 

Didn´t know this is the kind of niveau I had to deal with around here. Quite sad, really.

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Su-25T is 1990 plane 22 years after there is nothing to hide at all :]

 

Thing is that the T-frog was experimental. You'd end up in pretty much the same seat as with the Ka-50; you have to select a specific physical aircraft and say "okey, we'll simulate this one". And in regards to the T-frog - is there even such a plane theoretically available? (I don't know, I'd hope so, but then again - I'd much rather see an SM than a T when it comes to a DCS Frog.)

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Would just like to note that a russian user gave me a "-" for my posting in this thread and told me the following: "**** you, your grandfathers sucked uncomfortable cramped russian dick bitch"

 

Didn´t know this is the kind of niveau I had to deal with around here. Quite sad, really.

 

That is sad because most of the guys on here are great. You're speaking from experience too which is not always what we see.


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Would just like to note that a russian user gave me a "-" for my posting in this thread and told me the following: "**** you, your grandfathers sucked uncomfortable cramped russian dick bitch"

 

Didn´t know this is the kind of niveau I had to deal with around here. Quite sad, really.

Well most of the Ru guys are OK but many of them can't stand when they hear about Russian equipment and its weakness compared to the West.

On the Ru section you could find argues between ED officials and common members, but inside team too :)

 

Thing is that the T-frog was experimental. You'd end up in pretty much the same seat as with the Ka-50; you have to select a specific physical aircraft and say "okey, we'll simulate this one". And in regards to the T-frog - is there even such a plane theoretically available? (I don't know, I'd hope so, but then again - I'd much rather see an SM than a T when it comes to a DCS Frog.)

 

There are few T-toads left. Others have been upgraded to TM standard as platform tester for SM.

 

Su-25SM so far is still behind Su-25T in precision weapon delivery platform. SM doesn't have any TV with magnification so far. Weapons are still under construction :)

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Would just like to note that a russian user gave me a "-" for my posting in this thread and told me the following: "**** you, your grandfathers sucked uncomfortable cramped russian dick bitch"

 

Didn´t know this is the kind of niveau I had to deal with around here. Quite sad, really.

 

Try saying anything critical of ED or any of the games.... >_>

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You're aiming you gun/gunpod. 'LA' appears right where you're trying to see. Seriously, could they not have put this elsewhere?

 

You're using computer-aiming, the target marker and pipper sight are exactly the same leading to confusion as to which is which when manoeuvring close on target.

 

The good thing is regarding straffing if you use the targetting pod and cannon pods you can do straffing in CCRP with Auto-pilot.:thumbup: Russians still have a few features I wish the western jets have and auto-pilot CCRP is one of them.

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