mmaruda Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Personally I'd be very happy if ED made every fighter they have in the collection for DCS. Nevertheless, we need German fighters first. How about that 190? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Yea, it's quite disapointing that there is no opponent to the P-51D. (HJ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted October 27, 2012 ED Team Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Yo-Yo, can you tell us in which period this was? Was the P-51x that "first prop"? Yes, it was P-51D , at least the visual model :). 2003-2004 as far as I remember. Edited October 27, 2012 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markindel Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Personally I'd be very happy if ED made every fighter they have in the collection for DCS. Nevertheless, we need German fighters first. How about that 190? The FW190D9 Dora would be a great opponent for the P51D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick10 Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 The FW190D9 Dora would be a great opponent for the P51D Dora or 109k or maybe some late war Japanese aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketyjack Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Id love to see one each of the super powers. Say the ME-109 or FW-190 for the Germans. A zero or Jack for the Japanese, a spitfire for the Brits, and a cool yak for the Sovs. An English Channel map and a Pacific island map and we are in business Baby! :pilotfly::thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketyjack Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Personally I'd be very happy if ED made every fighter they have in the collection for DCS. Nevertheless, we need German fighters first. How about that 190? Yes...yes indeed! (to all the above...;) ):) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billeinstein Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Need B-29 and atoms. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Need B-29 and atoms. Il2 has the Silver plate B29. Go and play that if you want atoms. I'm currently feeling like the rest. the P51 needs opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 the P51 needs opponents. Agreed. Let's have a Spitfire. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billeinstein Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Il2 has the Silver plate B29. Go and play that if you want atoms. I'm currently feeling like the rest. the P51 needs opponents. That is an unofficial mod. Boeing company has the copyrights of those heavy bomber's cockpit. So there are no flyable B-17 and B-29 in the offical version of IL-2 series from the beginning till now. And those atoms are not quite real. The shockwave travels as fast as light, and no parachute after bomb release. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo38 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I'm not convinced that a simulation of an atomic bomb falls remotely in the desired scope of DCS. Certainly nowhere near as important as a real opponent for the P-51, such as an Me 109, or as other great fighters such as the P-38 and P-47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketyjack Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Not sure but Id think an A-bomb going off in our Georgia map would blow most of it to smitherines. I'll pass on the nukes. Gimme a Messerschimdt...:pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketyjack Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Ya know what Id also like to see? How about an L-4 Grasshopper? The trusty J-3 cub. To me, that just defines why we get into flying. Sure it aint a fighter or bomber. Its just a puttputt basically. Use it as a FAC or scout, fire smoke, and dodge flak and fighters...hey maybe Im a little crazy but it sounds cool to me. :D Edited October 28, 2012 by racketyjack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFunk1606688187 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Spitfire as the Mustang's opponent? Why would we not want a realistic oppositional scenario? :P Me-109 was the single most produce fighter aircraft in HISTORY, I mean... what better reason is there to model something for a high fidelity flight sim? Only problem would be which one to model? K-4 wasn't really produced even though its probably the best comparison to the late war P-51. I'd settle for a Fw-190 Dora. Long nose ftw. That beast had some power under the hood. Warning: Nothing I say is automatically correct, even if I think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 29, 2012 ED Team Share Posted October 29, 2012 Spitfire as the Mustang's opponent? Why would we not want a realistic oppositional scenario? :P Me-109 was the single most produce fighter aircraft in HISTORY, I mean... what better reason is there to model something for a high fidelity flight sim? Only problem would be which one to model? K-4 wasn't really produced even though its probably the best comparison to the late war P-51. I'd settle for a Fw-190 Dora. Long nose ftw. That beast had some power under the hood. There is the key when you say High Fidelity, tracking down all the needed data to make a equal level sim as the P-51 is the the trick :) I've been hunting for data for 109s, 190s and some Zeros as well, there is a lot online, but its not nearly everything that ED threw at the P-51, so I have been using google translate alot and emailing my brains out :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 29, 2012 ED Team Share Posted October 29, 2012 I'm not convinced that a simulation of an atomic bomb falls remotely in the desired scope of DCS. Certainly nowhere near as important as a real opponent for the P-51, such as an Me 109, or as other great fighters such as the P-38 and P-47. Pretty sure when I was playing around with making a FLAK gun I saw an entry in there for something to do with nukes, maybe tactical nukes? Dunno, didnt really play around with it... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyD Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Agreed. Let's have a Spitfire. I would love to see a flyable Spitfire in game but there is no real comparison between the 51 and the Spit, yeah the 51 is faster with longer range but the Spit was a point defence interceptor and had much better dogfighting capabilities. Mustang would stall out trying to stay with a Spit. Just please note: I love the P51 and this is not a Mustang bash but a dogfight between these two would usually only have one ending!!! And can you imagine the Ai in a Spit?.....it's bad enough now!! I would prefer to see a German opponent filling the gap that we have for a relevant dogfight scenario! :pilotfly: Edited October 30, 2012 by TimmyD [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic90244_1.gif[/sIGPIC]Windows 7 Ultimate 64 on OCZ SSD, (AM3)AMD955BE x4 3.2GHz - GPU AMD6950 x2Gb - 16Gb Ripjaw G-Skill DDR3 PC12800 1600MHz https://www.facebook.com/#!/FerociousFrankie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 A seasoned pony driver would use the Stang speed to his advantage. I know Warbirds online is no DCS but I could easily kill spits and zeroes when they tried to engage me, and the 51 was my plane of choice. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VH-Rock Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 A seasoned pony driver would use the Stang speed to his advantage. I know Warbirds online is no DCS but I could easily kill spits and zeroes when they tried to engage me, and the 51 was my plane of choice. I would love to see a flyable Spitfire in game but there is no real comparison between the 51 and the Spit, yeah the 51 is faster with longer range but the Spit was a point defence interceptor and had much better dogfighting capabilities. Mustang would stall out trying to stay with a Spit. Just please note: I love the P51 and this is not a Mustang bash but a dogfight between these two would usually only have one ending!!! And can you imagine the Ai in a Spit?.....it's bad enough now!! I would prefer to see a German opponent filling the gap that we have for a relevant dogfight scenario! :pilotfly: Just depends on the pilot ;) If the P-51 gets suckered into a turning Fight, Spit has the advantage. If the P-51 uses Boom and Zoom, P-51 has the advantage. Same with any aircraft though, the better the pilot, the better chance you have of winning. Virtual Horsemen - Right Wing (P-51) - 2008... Virtual Ultimate Fighters - Lead (P-47) - 2020... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Of course a veteran pony driver would never turn with the spit but uses its speed to bang the spit all day long. :) edit: I should say I'm not knocking the spit as it's one of my all time favorite warbirds as well. Edited October 30, 2012 by leafer ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 30, 2012 ED Team Share Posted October 30, 2012 People are enjoying P-51 vs P-51 fights right now, so why cant it be a Spit or even another US fighter. That said, I would love to see some 109s flying over the Cliffs of Dover in DCS World myself :) With the multiplayer aircraft starting to show up, I would love to see a German bomber to intercept as well :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo38 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Just depends on the pilot If the P-51 gets suckered into a turning Fight, Spit has the advantage. If the P-51 uses Boom and Zoom, P-51 has the advantage. Same with any aircraft though, the better the pilot, the better chance you have of winning. Well, in the flight sim-games I more or less mastered (IL-2: Forgotten Battles, Aces High), the pilot skill did indeed make a huge difference, of course, but if the pilots were roughly equal, the Spitfire would always win any otherwise-even dogfight against the P-51. Granted, those two sim-games weren't very realistic in their general modelling of things, but I feel that the people who say "it's the pilot not the plane" don't really have a good understanding of how the two relate. It takes two to tango; the aircraft matters as much as the pilot. A good airplane won't do much with a bad pilot, but a good pilot won't do much with a bad airplane. At least, not when he's flying against a good pilot with a good airplane. Of course, I'm not calling the P-51 a bad airplane. It was, however, in those sim-games (especially IL-2). Energy fighting wouldn't allow a good P-51 pilot to knock down a decent Spitifre pilot in a duel. Yank-and-bank would always win the day for the latter, which was disappointing. Edited October 30, 2012 by Echo38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Spitfire as the Mustang's opponent? Why would we not want a realistic oppositional scenario? :P Egyptian Spits vs Israeli Mustangs. ;) And of course, TFC owns and operates not just one, but two Spits. (Though unfortunately not the exact mark that the Egyptians used.) Edited October 30, 2012 by EtherealN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 but if the pilots were roughly equal, the Spitfire would always win any otherwise-even dogfight against the P-51. Depends on how you define an "even" dogfight. If you are talking about what is called a "neutral" setup, then yes. But half the "fight" has already taken place at that point, since just like today one of the most important things was how you set yourself up for the fight, getting an entry that is advantageous to your aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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