R-77 pitbull

[trooph]

ANyone knows how to determine when R-77 AAM goes pitbull?

Is there an indicator on the HUD or u just have to "count to 10"?

[djembe]

Good question!

And what is the difference between the R77 and 120 when they go pitbull?

Edited December 4, 2012 by djembe

[104th_Crunch]

There is no display indiction to let you know in FC. When the R-77 is approx. 20km from it's target, it will go active. You have to manually guage this. For example, if you fire on a target within 20km, it goes active right away.

 

There isn't really any difference, in terms of going active, between R-77 and 120.

[trooph]

There is no display indiction to let you know in FC. When the R-77 is approx. 20km from it's target, it will go active. You have to manually guage this. For example, if you fire on a target within 20km, it goes active right away.

 

Well thats something :) CHeers Crunch!

 

@djembe

r77 has a slightly larger range than aim 120... Atleast from what i know. And when it goes active shot close to u its nearly impossible to shake it off. Best option is use masking split S and burn...

[blkspade]

While I haven't tested it in FC3 as much as FC2, the R77 is easier to spoof when it has to look up. If you know that you been fired on from below, at somewhat close range you can evade without going completely defensive. Given the typical behavior of Russian craft pilots this is frequently the case.

[badger66]

ANyone knows how to determine when R-77 AAM goes pitbull?

Is there an indicator on the HUD or u just have to "count to 10"?

 

What does pitbull mean please ?

[falcon_120]

What does pitbull mean please ?

 

Pitbull is a code to designate tha an active radar missile like the amraam or the R77 has gone

active.Once pitbull is called,the missile is autonomous.

[Dusty Rhodes]

To further, Active meaning the missile has been fired with a radar lock and the on board missile radar has actively taken over and has locked on to a target.

Edited December 5, 2012 by Dusty Rhodes
Wrong info at first from me

[Kuky]

pitbull... its like letting the dogs off the leash :D

[159th_Viper]

pitbull... its like letting the dogs off the leash :D

 

Cesar Millan - new brevity term for deploying chaff :D

[Eddie]

To further, Active meaning the missile has been fired with a radar lock and the on board missile radar has actively taken over and has locked on to a target.

 

You're confusing two brevity terms there, specifically Pitbull and Mad Dog.

 

"Mad Dog" - Refers to a visual launch of an AIM-120 or other ARH AAM.

 

"Pitbull" - Informative call that an AIM-120 has reached MPRF active range.

 

"Husky" - Informative call that an AIM-120 has reached HPRF active range.

[Dusty Rhodes]

I have flown, must be, thousands of hours virtually in every platform from Falcon 4, Janes F-18, LOMAC, you name it from 1997 on and Pitbull has always meant that the seeker head went active on the target you fired upon, not that it reached it MPRF, so maybe in the real world it means that but in the virtual world, with my experience, it means the above.

[VFA41_Lion]

Then by and large you have been using it incorrectly. I have always understood Mad Dog to be the brevity term for it in Jane's F-18 and never heard anyone, singleplayer or multiplayer call out "pitbull" for that.

[Dusty Rhodes]

That is funny cuz the hundreds of pilots, if not more, that I have flown with all used it the same way. We are talking virtual world here and not real world.

[falcon_120]

I have flown, must be, thousands of hours virtually in every platform from Falcon 4, Janes F-18, LOMAC, you name it from 1997 on and Pitbull has always meant that the seeker head went active on the target you fired upon, not that it reached it MPRF, so maybe in the real world it means that but in the virtual world, with my experience, it means the above.

 

Because in those sims wasn't known that RL amraam radar use two phases of engagement to call it some way,

HPRF at first and MRPF when is closer to the target(maybe the other way around,always forget).

Falcon bms 4.32 does simulate this.

But as Eddie says,pitbull(amraam gone active),maddog(amraam launched at visual range already active off the rail).

[104th_Crunch]

You're confusing two brevity terms there, specifically Pitbull and Mad Dog.

 

"Mad Dog" - Refers to a visual launch of an AIM-120 or other ARH AAM.

 

"Pitbull" - Informative call that an AIM-120 has reached MPRF active range.

 

"Husky" - Informative call that an AIM-120 has reached HPRF active range.

 

What exactly is

high pulse repetition frequency (HPRF)

medium pulse repetition frequency (MPRF)

?

 

Thanks

[Eddie]

Well, in 14 years of online flying I've never heard anyone use Pitbull for a visual ARM launch.

 

Regardless, what I posted is right out of the NATO/USAF brevity publications. And every MP organisation I've flown with has used them the same way, with the exception of husky as no sim has yet been modelled to in enough detail for it to be applicable.

[Dusty Rhodes]

I'll say it again just in case you missed it. This is my experience in the virtual world not NATO or Red China, or Venezaula real world.

[Dusty Rhodes]

Well, in 14 years of online flying I've never heard anyone use Pitbull for a visual ARM launch.

 

 

I never siad that Eddie. I said it was a call made when the seeker head of the missile went active on the target you had locked and fired upon. (Left out before) Usually at Beyond visual Range. What you are referring to in your 14 years of flying is MADDOG which is the firing of a BVR air to air missile without having a lock on a target.

Edited December 5, 2012 by Dusty Rhodes

[lunaticfringe]

What exactly is

high pulse repetition frequency (HPRF)

medium pulse repetition frequency (MPRF)

?

 

Thanks

 

I could wax long about the differences, but paring it down with respect to missiles it's pretty cut and dry:

 

HPRF benefits a missile by maintaining high average power in each short pulse. Average power begets detection range, which, while it may cause clutter, the detection of the target's Dopper is stronger). So this is the first active mode an AIM-120 uses (unless range is already short). If the Slammer is unsupported at this point, there is still a chance the thing might make its target so long as the Doppler return doesn't get obscured.

 

MPRF is an endgame state, because while the use of medium pulse generates a lot of clutter from other objects (as well as ambiguities of both range and Doppler), the shortest ranged return is easily discerned from the noise. So the missile will switch to this mode at the point where "the target"* is going to be the loudest return the antenna sees.

 

(*Say it like they refer to the JHMCS- "the helmet", emphasis on "the")

 

Now, some of the brevity dictionaries I've seen equate "Husky" with "Cheapshot", discerning USN vs. USAF; either way, you're hoping it'll get there, but you'll likely spend another weapon to guarantee it. You *want* "Pitbull", and you'd let some moron off the street date your sister to get it. And saying "Maddog" normally isn't a good sign, unless you're killing a runner post-merge (and that means that something went wrong).

[104th_Crunch]

Awesome answer. Thanks.

[djembe]

I never siad that Eddie. I said it was a call made when the seeker head of the missile went active on the target you had locked and fired upon. (Left out before) Usually at Beyond visual Range. What you are referring to in your 14 years of flying is MADDOG which is the firing of a BVR air to air missile without having a lock on a target.

 

What would be then the code for "firing of a BVR air to air missile without having to lock on a target"?

[Kuky]

My understanding is that mad dog is call when you don't have a lock but still fire active missile in direction of enemy hoping that it's radar will pick up the target itself... Mostly used if you have to go defensive and don't have time to lock an guide till missile is pit bull/active

 

Anyway different countries use difent terminology, even in same country airfore and navy aviation can use different terminology.

[Frostie]

My understanding is that mad dog is call when you don't have a lock but still fire active missile in direction of enemy hoping that it's radar will pick up the target itself... Mostly used if you have to go defensive and don't have time to lock an guide till missile is pit bull/active

Yes, I believe this is a visual bore shot. Also 'Husky' is when an active reaches HPRF stage and 'Cheapshot' is when the link is broken at HPRF and the ARH is left to find its own way to MPRF.

[Dusty Rhodes]

What would be then the code for "firing of a BVR air to air missile without having to lock on a target"?

 

It is right in the post you quoted. MADDOG.