Fw-190D9 Discussion

[Merlin-27]

The picture on the left is different, unless the left hand gear looks slightly different... see how the wing piece has a flat edge but the other 2 pictures angle up slightly at the front...

 

Are you talking about the very bottom edge of the gear door? I definitely see a difference in those three pictures side by side. But I don't even see that in the diagram from Fox One where he says it consists of three pieces. Is it possible there were several varieties?

[Fox One]

It was removed for non prepared airfields, mud could easily fix to it preventing wheel to spin. As you know also middle piece was usually removed on ground attack versions operating from first line improvised aerodromes. But Dora wasn't the kind of Fw190 where you see that usually.

 

S!

 

This is true. In the left picture fantomk posted, the difference in shape is because the lower part of the gear door was removed. This was done sometimes, like you said, in muddy airfield conditions. Otherwise, in the specified picture is a very normal D-9. However, it was something relatively rare to be seen on D-9. Of all the pictures in all the books I've seen, I don't think I saw more than 10 pics with Fw 190 D-9 configured like that.

 

@Merlin-27 - there weren't several varieties of landing gear doors on D-9. All D-9 built were identical regarding gear doors.

[Yo-Yo]

Very good point, I wonder if there is any gun camera footage out there with the cockpit on a 190 being jettison... I will have to look and see about submitting that, I guess if I practiced more and shot down the AI more I would have noticed that too lol....

 

Sorry, maybe I missed something -

 

Isn't it a canopy that flies away? :)

[Fox One]

Are you talking about the very bottom edge of the gear door? I definitely see a difference in those three pictures side by side. But I don't even see that in the diagram from Fox One where he says it consists of three pieces. Is it possible there were several varieties?

 

Oh, I see now what you mean, silly me. You don't see the small part in the diagram because that diagram, as the one in the picture below, is from Fw 190 D illustrated parts catalogue dated Oktober 1944. As you can see, the plane initially was configured with doors closing over the wheels (part 15 in the pic below). Here you can see a great picture of a D-9 prototype:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1749268&postcount=342

 

See the doors closing the wheels close to the centerline of the plane, also check the landing gear doors shape ... yes' that's right, that little part on the lower side of the gear doors is missing. Also, see the central flap of the radiator - it's opened, this was closed shut on serial D-9, this is a prototype.

 

However, for serial D-9 they gave up using the central doors closing over the wheels, and they added the small part I was talking about in my previous post in order for the wheel to be better covered when retracted. But the illustrated parts catalogue was already made with drawings showing the landing gear doors configured like the prototypes :)

[NineLine]

Sorry, maybe I missed something -

 

Isn't it a canopy that flies away? :)

 

Interesting... I did a couple tests last night and it never was jettisoned, is it possible the system to jettison is being disabled by damage or is that modeled yet? Perhaps you are using a version not available yet where it is fixed?

[Fox One]

So... nobody noticed in Yo-Yo video that the Fw 190 jettisoned a Mustang canopy ? :D

[NineLine]

So... nobody noticed in Yo-Yo video that the Fw 190 jettisoned a Mustang canopy ? :D

 

Does kinda look like a P-51 Canopy... not sure how damage works when it separates from an aircraft, but if it inserts a separate model for the damaged part that flies off, perhaps the wrong model was linked :)

[fantomk]

So... nobody noticed in Yo-Yo video that the Fw 190 jettisoned a Mustang canopy ? :D

 

:lol: You really have good eyes Fox One.

[SkateZilla]

Does kinda look like a P-51 Canopy... not sure how damage works when it separates from an aircraft, but if it inserts a separate model for the damaged part that flies off, perhaps the wrong model was linked :)

 

All the other modules have a Canopy.EDM of the canopy by itself that loads when you Eject.

 

maybe it was a early video before they had gone through and cleaned up the shapes and edms.

[Merlin-27]

Oh, I see now what you mean, silly me. You don't see the small part in the diagram because that diagram, as the one in the picture below, is from Fw 190 D illustrated parts catalogue dated Oktober 1944. As you can see, the plane initially was configured with doors closing over the wheels (part 15 in the pic below). Here you can see a great picture of a D-9 prototype:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1749268&postcount=342

 

See the doors closing the wheels close to the centerline of the plane, also check the landing gear doors shape ... yes' that's right, that little part on the lower side of the gear doors is missing. Also, see the central flap of the radiator - it's opened, this was closed shut on serial D-9, this is a prototype.

 

However, for serial D-9 they gave up using the central doors closing over the wheels, and they added the small part I was talking about in my previous post in order for the wheel to be better covered when retracted. But the illustrated parts catalogue was already made with drawings showing the landing gear doors configured like the prototypes

 

Sorry if my question was confusing. It seems like we are all on the same page now. It's great to see people with such passion for fidelity. Even the smallest details.

 

Speaking of...

 

So... nobody noticed in Yo-Yo video that the Fw 190 jettisoned a Mustang canopy ? :D

 

Oh the humanity!!! The ground crew is really going to hear about this mix-up!

[Yo-Yo]

Ohh... they fooled even me! :) How I trusted these guys... :) Wrong canopy...

[NineLine]

All the other modules have a Canopy.EDM of the canopy by itself that loads when you Eject.

 

maybe it was a early video before they had gone through and cleaned up the shapes and edms.

 

Sounds like it... but it points to them working on making the canopy jettison, so I wont worry too much about that...

[ckek]

Fw-190D9 sound must change.

same as p-51d.

Edited May 11, 2013 by ckek

[NineLine]

Fw-190D9 sound must change.

same as p-51d.

 

WIP

[[DBS]TH0R]

Fw-190D9 sound must change.

same as p-51d.

 

Seconded.

[ckek]

WIP

 

ok!!:yes:

[crazyeddie]

I take it the additional textures are WIP as well, there was something posted about that but I cannot find it now ?

[NineLine]

I take it the additional textures are WIP as well, there was something posted about that but I cannot find it now ?

 

 

The included some extra, if you scroll back through this thread it was discussed how to use them.

[NineLine]

I found a technical drawing of the wing design for the 190, I will be submitting that to the devs. Although there appears to be issues with the model, its not as bad as the drawings below make it look, at least compared to the drawing I found from an actual Focke-Wulf report on wing design.

 

More reference of the thickness of the wings

 

[SkateZilla]

The drawing is a 2d Schematic w/ no depth perception of FoV. the screenshot isnt.

 

the vertical and horizontal stabs on the screenshot are like 60% of the height/length/size of the stabs in the schematic as a result.

[leafer]

You guys are starting to scare me. :D

[NineLine]

You guys are starting to scare me. :D

 

 

Well your location says 3d max, you should be all over this ;)

[NineLine]

The drawing is a 2d Schematic w/ no depth perception of FoV. the screenshot isnt.

 

the vertical and horizontal stabs on the screenshot are like 60% of the height/length/size of the stabs in the schematic as a result.

 

 

Spending time in 3D Studio has really helped this in my head, you can really see the short comings of certain drawings and how angle changes perception... its why I am trying to be very careful about what I report and that its not just a visual illusion and an actual issue. That said I have areported a number of issues so far.

[fantomk]

Thx SiThSpAwN

[Hans-Joachim Marseille]

DCS: Fw 190 D

 

Here another Fw 190 development video for your entertainment, while awaiting news of it's arrival in DCS: World.

Edited July 17, 2013 by Hans-Joachim Marseille