goonybird Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) Hello, Has anyone at ED considered a "completely clean option" for all flyable aircraft? --- Completely clean meaning no weapons and their mounting pylons --- this is for the aerobatics community, which is pretty strong in LOMAC... ???? ... oh!... let me add, I WOULD pay for that kind of option! Edited May 31, 2013 by goonybird [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
goonybird Posted June 2, 2013 Author Posted June 2, 2013 Would be nice if the developers would keep it in mind from the outset... I've attempted some modeling years ago (so my hat is off and I lift my glass to the developers :thumbup:) and I completed base model first before I began adding things-- depends on what techniques an logic used in today's "skunkworks" --- but a clean version wouldn't seem too much trouble to include along the development path... ???? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Snoopy Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Hello, Has anyone at ED considered a "completely clean option" for all flyable aircraft? --- Completely clean meaning no weapons and their mounting pylons --- this is for the aerobatics community, which is pretty strong in LOMAC... ???? ... oh!... let me add, I WOULD pay for that kind of option! Well some ACFT can never be completely clean. The A-10 for example can't have all pylons removed because of structural reasons. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Eddie Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Really pylons that are not required for flight/fixed, should only be fitted to the aircraft when loading weapons on those stations. That's how I'd like DCS to handle things, with those pylons that are not integral to the airframe being added when loading weapons. This hasn't been big deal so far, because for the Hog pylons aren't removed often. But for fighters such as the Hornet, it will be. It just another little detail that currently missing from DCS.
goonybird Posted June 2, 2013 Author Posted June 2, 2013 Could the F-15's be revisited?... The F-15E especially has a lot of stuff hanging on it [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 What aircraft are we talking about? SU-27, 25, etc.? Do any of those aircraft have pylons that can't be removed? I asked because there are aircraft out there that need some pylons. I don't know if the MIG-29 has some, but for example the F-16 has to fly with wingtip missiles rails, there's not option. looks like SU-27 is the same but don't know for sure. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
VH-Rock Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Would definitely support this - we have this feature on the Mustang and it would be great to have it on all the other aircraft too. There's nothing worse than seeing a jet team out there with pylons hanging underneath the wing! Virtual Horsemen - Right Wing (P-51) - 2008... Virtual Ultimate Fighters - Lead (P-47) - 2020...
metheluckydonut Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 I think the P51 already has a "civilian" tickbox in the ME. I don't know what exactly it does but it's there. DCS Wishlist: Ka 26
joey45 Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 I think the P51 already has a "civilian" tickbox in the ME. I don't know what exactly it does but it's there. It disables the guns and weapon options. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
mvsgas Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Would definitely support this - we have this feature on the Mustang and it would be great to have it on all the other aircraft too. There's nothing worse than seeing a jet team out there with pylons hanging underneath the wing! The Russian Knights look really cool despite the fact the carry pylons during demos. Blue Angels, Thunderbirds and East/West/PACAF demos teams look cool with missiles rails or pylons To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
goonybird Posted June 2, 2013 Author Posted June 2, 2013 What aircraft are we talking about? SU-27, 25, etc.? Do any of those aircraft have pylons that can't be removed? I asked because there are aircraft out there that need some pylons. I don't know if the MIG-29 has some, but for example the F-16 has to fly with wingtip missiles rails, there's not option. looks like SU-27 is the same but don't know for sure.Of course there are pylons that are integral structure and must remain... I'm only talking about weapons pylons and other equipment from any of the flyable aircraft that can be removed that are unnecessary and undesirable for aerobatic display. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Its happens. Here, Number two has a centerline pylon. ( In think is Number 2, the bottom F-16) click on image to enlarge I think I understand the you guys point, not aesthetically pleasing. My point is that not all demo teams remove pylons just because is not needed. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
mvsgas Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Demo teams receive 2010 certification Maj. Mike Maeder and Capt. Heron Weidner perform for Gen. William M. Fraser III Feb. 3, 2010, at Langley Air Force Base. Major Maeder and Captain Weidner are F-15E Strike Eagle demonstration team pilots and General Fraser is the commander of the Air Combat Command. (U.S. Air Force photo/Senior Airman Zachary Wolf) To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Eddie Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Mvsgas, Wile the origin of this was from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, you should know as well as I do that there are other reason to remove pylons from aircraft. This feature is equally, if not more valuable from a combat point of view. Especially if ED are modelling realistic drag on weapons and suspension equipment.
mvsgas Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) But not all suspension equipment is consider for drag factors. Again, I don't know about other aircraft, But F-16 with centerline pylon, wingtip rails and other pylons still have a drag factor of zero, IIRC. P.S. I think F-15E with CFT is the same, not sure. Edited June 2, 2013 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
goonybird Posted June 2, 2013 Author Posted June 2, 2013 @geloxo... If there was a clean UH-1H, I would have gotten it in a heartbeat!... back in the day (1970's), I was a Huey crewchief up in Alaska in an Air Cav and in a straight combat aviation unit... we flew "slicks" (no external gun mounts), and inserted/extracted troops... would bring tears to my eyes :cry: to skin a slick in my old unit colors! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
joey45 Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 The slick will be released with the full version. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
NRG-Vampire Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Well some ACFT can never be completely clean. The A-10 for example can't have all pylons removed because of structural reasons. AFAIK IRL all pylons removable on A-10s also, maybe only outer wing pylons give some problems to ground crew (and to pilot at night) because of spot lights which illuminate nose ;)
zaelu Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Clean airframes should be an option. I don't understand what stopped ED from doing it already. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
strikeeagle Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Could the F-15's be revisited?... The F-15E especially has a lot of stuff hanging on it Remember the Strike has CFT's and those are usually removed only during phase inspections, ferry flight to/from depot, and when it leaks. Those CFT stations CANNOT be removed. Normal operations call for station 5 (centerline) to be removed from the airplane unless it's actually needed to carry something. Reason being is the Crew Chief cannot get access to remove or replace the JFS and/or CGB with the pylon installed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Chris
strikeeagle Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 AFAIK IRL all pylons removable on A-10s also, maybe only outer wing pylons give some problems to ground crew (and to pilot at night) because of spot lights which illuminate nose ;) Some of the pylons on the A-10 have hydraulic actuators inside of it. It acts as a faring. Paul puts his hands on at least one or two, maybe 5 or 6 A-10's a day. I think he knows what can and cannot be removed.:thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Chris
NRG-Vampire Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Some of the pylons on the A-10 have hydraulic actuators inside of it. It acts as a faring. Paul puts his hands on at least one or two, maybe 5 or 6 A-10's a day. I think he knows what can and cannot be removed.:thumbup: hopefully :) but on this photo only station 1, 4, 8, 11 got pylons
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