Will there be another patch?

[Flagrum]

A patch that tweaks the behaviour of the chopper when transisting from ETL to hoover (or better: transistion from ETL to VRS ...)? Is there anything in the pipeline?

[Rongor]

I dont understand the question. You know the Huey is still in a state of open beta?

[Flagrum]

I dont understand the question. You know the Huey is still in a state of open beta?

Hrm?

 

Yes, it's beta. And I wonder, if they plan to modify the transistion from ETL to hover. Don't know how else I could put it ...

[TimeKilla]

Magic crystal ball. :helpsmilie:

 

Sorry, I think it's a safe bet we will see more changes.

Edited July 11, 2013 by TimeKilla

[Rongor]

According to the thread topic I regarded the focus being on any another patch. There sure is something in the pipeline. ETL and VRS are were discussed in numerous threads around here that might be worth looking up. As far as I remember the last tweak adressing the initially way too quick transition to VRS was only some sort of first aid and more is to come.

[311Gryphon]

Hrm?

 

Yes, it's beta. And I wonder, if they plan to modify the transistion from ETL to hover. Don't know how else I could put it ...

 

I think what he's saying is that this is not the final product so there is a good chance that anything that needs to be changed will be (for the most part) by final release.

 

However, I do understand that your question is more direct and I have no answer for that because I don't know the UH-1 flight characteristics in real life and don't know their intentions.

 

But wait, there's more. I've been told (have not tried yet) that one of the updates already did update the flight model and that landing is easier if it applies. Alas it doesn't apply correctly. What I was told to do is to go download the latest UH-1H module from DCS website. Then go into DCS and uninstall just the UH-1H module completely. Then restart your computer and install the module that you just downloaded. I'm told it works much better and I hope to try tonight.

[Flagrum]

As far as I remember the last tweak adressing the initially way too quick transition to VRS was only some sort of first aid and more is to come.

That is actually what I was hoping for. If now Belsimtek could confirm this, then there really might be still a chance for me to ride that Huey beast! :D

 

But wait, there's more. I've been told (have not tried yet) that one of the updates already did update the flight model and that landing is easier if it applies. Alas it doesn't apply correctly. What I was told to do is to go download the latest UH-1H module from DCS website. Then go into DCS and uninstall just the UH-1H module completely. Then restart your computer and install the module that you just downloaded. I'm told it works much better and I hope to try tonight.

Yes, I followed that/these thread(s) as well. And I tried it. But for me, it didn't make any difference.

Flying is not the problem - the FM is quite managable and no comparisation to how it was a patch or two ago. But since then I still have these issues with transisting from ETL to hover as the VRS kicks in way to fast and violently ... for me. To me, it seems that there is really ZERO tolerance for errors. You must get the timing correct to the 1/10 second and the position of the collective to the 1/2 mm. If that is how the real thing functions, then I am probably just no chopper pilot material ...

[TurboHog]

Am I the only one having zero issues with VRS? I've had VRS only once in hundreds of transitions from FF to hover and I knew what went wrong.

 

Make sure you add collective in time. I already add collective while still pitching up to slow down. Then when I approach zero speed I quickly add enough collective for a hover in ground effect.

 

It's like the Black Sharks trimming problems without an FFB stick that everyone seems to have. But I will never find out what the H the problem is.

[PeterP]

There must be a issue with the current auto-updater - it don't updates the Huey properly or left out some files.

 

-whatever-

 

When you follow the next advise you will have much less ELT/VRS problems.

BTW: It is not needed to make a restart.

 

OK I had a similar thread earlier and we went round and round for about 2 weeks before I tried the following.. (Which fixed the issue COMPLETELY for me.) try the following:

 

OK so after a lot of thought I decided to take a closer look at the version of DCS I am using and yep it is the latest and greatest... HOWEVER... Since there doesn't seem to be a way to figure out the last revision # for the individual modules installed.. (At least I can't figure out how to do this) I decided to look at what the latest download revision is compared to the one I used when I last loaded DCS... Interestingly, the one I used ended in 168 and the latest download is 186.. So I downloaded 186, fully uninstalled the previous module, rebooted and reloaded the latest and greatest and guess what? I have not augered into the ground EVEN ONE TIME since re-installing the latest module.. As a matter of fact I have not even gotten a single whiff of VRS or settling with power issues...

 

NO IDEA WHY, but it appears that the auto-updater although appearing to work fine is not.. (At least for me anyway.) And yes I tried multiple times to manually force DCS to look for any updates and all appeared to be well..

 

So for anyone out there that agreed that there may be something wrong, I strongly urge you to try what I tried and see if it resolves the issue for you as well, as this is much more enjoyable now that I am not hitting VRS every time I blink my friggin eyes...

 

It is VERY important that you download the latest module

THEN

Uninstall the current module using the module Manager

THEN RESTART YOUR MACHINE

and then reload the latest module..

 

If you don't do things in that order exactly as shown it will not help..

Edited July 11, 2013 by PeterP

[KaspeR32]

There must be a issue with the current auto-updater - it don't updates the Huey properly or left out some files.

 

-whatever-

 

When you follow the next advise you will have much less ELT/VRS problems.

BTW: It is not needed to make a restart.

 

Outlawal2 found out something pretty profound.

 

Does ED know about this?

 

I'm going to try this when I get home. Is there easy way to check what my Huey version number is? Or as long as I used the auto-updater, I most likely have this issue?

 

Thanks.

[Vlerkies]

if you know what files are being updated regarding the flight model it should be easy to assess what has or has not been updated buy looking at the file itself and seeing when last it was modified compared to when you ran the update

 

I dont experience these problems, at least that I know of.

[Flagrum]

There must be a issue with the current auto-updater - it don't updates the Huey properly or left out some files.

 

-whatever-

 

When you follow the next advise you will have much less ELT/VRS problems.

BTW: It is not needed to make a restart.

As I said, that didn't do it for me.

 

Well, thb, I didn't follow his instructions word by word ... BUT i did a clean and fresh install of DCS World, then let the autoupdater patch it up to the latest version. THEN I installed the latest version of the Huey module - freshly downloaded from the dcs website. Result should be the same: current DCS World and very latest Huey module. Still 95/100 crashes due to VRS (and 4 with bumps and dents and scattered canopy glass ... maybe 1 what one could call a "successful landing")

[outlawal2]

if you know what files are being updated regarding the flight model it should be easy to assess what has or has not been updated buy looking at the file itself and seeing when last it was modified compared to when you ran the update

 

I dont experience these problems, at least that I know of.

 

It really is not always easy to figure out because even though the log says all is good, there are still issues sometimes. (Hence the instructins provided..)

 

My advice is that if the VRS seems to be way over the top, try my fix and see if it helps.. It has helped at least a handful of folks that I know of for certain and probably others that I don't know of...

[PeterP]

It really is not always easy to figure out because even though the log says all is good, there are still issues sometimes. (Hence the instructins provided..)

 

My advice is that if the VRS seems to be way over the top, try my fix and see if it helps.. It has helped at least a handful of folks that I know of for certain and probably others that I don't know of...

 

 

...well,...

 

practice, practice practice

 

My experience: I din't had too much trouble before the 'update' - now it is 'easy'.

[Rogue Trooper]

Am I the only one having zero issues with VRS? I've had VRS only once in hundreds of transitions from FF to hover and I knew what went wrong.

 

Make sure you add collective in time. I already add collective while still pitching up to slow down. Then when I approach zero speed I quickly add enough collective for a hover in ground effect.

 

It's like the Black Sharks trimming problems without an FFB stick that everyone seems to have. But I will never find out what the H the problem is.

 

+1 on that, I think it is pretty much perfect as it is. I also had few VRS incidents and two or three were crashes but it was my fault and for sure a very early release of the Huey.

[Weta43]

Am I the only one having zero issues with VRS? I've had VRS only once in hundreds of transitions from FF to hover and I knew what went wrong.

 

Make sure you add collective in time. I already add collective while still pitching up to slow down. Then when I approach zero speed I quickly add enough collective for a hover in ground effect.

 

The only time I have trouble is if I'm deliberately seeing how aggressively I can get the chopper on the ground (& then I usually catch it before hitting the ground, but sometimes it's not pretty or a ride I'd like to have taken IRL).

 

If I fly at all like my life depended on not crashing, no problems at all.

[311Gryphon]

Bummer, the uninstall/re-install didn't seem to work for me.

 

I know some folks seem to not have issues with it and some do. I've gotten better at it but I've flown quite a bit. Flying isn't too big of a deal but taking off is sloppy (no real issues but sloppy) and landings are extremely difficult. I have done 2 decent landings but even since then I've not had any good landings.

 

Well, I'll stick to my belief that if it isn't realistic they'll fix it and if it is realistic I'll just have to keep practicing and I don't want them to fix it.

[Flagrum]

Bummer, the uninstall/re-install didn't seem to work for me.

 

I know some folks seem to not have issues with it and some do. I've gotten better at it but I've flown quite a bit. Flying isn't too big of a deal but taking off is sloppy (no real issues but sloppy) and landings are extremely difficult. I have done 2 decent landings but even since then I've not had any good landings.

 

Well, I'll stick to my belief that if it isn't realistic they'll fix it and if it is realistic I'll just have to keep practicing and I don't want them to fix it.

... welcome to my world! :thumbup:

[IonicRipper]

Bummer, the uninstall/re-install didn't seem to work for me.

 

I know some folks seem to not have issues with it and some do. I've gotten better at it but I've flown quite a bit. Flying isn't too big of a deal but taking off is sloppy (no real issues but sloppy) and landings are extremely difficult. I have done 2 decent landings but even since then I've not had any good landings.

 

Well, I'll stick to my belief that if it isn't realistic they'll fix it and if it is realistic I'll just have to keep practicing and I don't want them to fix it.

 

How much landings did you try? I know it took me a few days and over 50 tries to start landing somewhat decently and I still screw up from time to time.

 

Start the free flight instant mission and just take off and land until you can't stand it anymore. I grantee the next day your landings will be much better.

[Flagrum]

How much landings did you try? I know it took me a few days and over 50 tries to start landing somewhat decently and I still screw up from time to time.

Can't count how many Hueys I crashed that way. Must be worth several dozen millions of Dollars ... (at LEAST 50-100 times)

 

Start the free flight instant mission and just take off and land until you can't stand it anymore.

Done & accomplished.

 

I grantee the next day your landings will be much better.

*BZZZZZZZZZT* fail. ;P

[IonicRipper]

Then it must be something wrong with your setup or technique. Did you watch the tutorials?

Edited July 12, 2013 by IonicRipper

[number3]

Am I the only one having zero issues with VRS? I've had VRS only once in hundreds of transitions from FF to hover and I knew what went wrong.

 

Make sure you add collective in time. I already add collective while still pitching up to slow down. Then when I approach zero speed I quickly add enough collective for a hover in ground effect.

 

It's like the Black Sharks trimming problems without an FFB stick that everyone seems to have. But I will never find out what the H the problem is.

 

I've pretty much gotten the hang of it. The only time I get caught up in it is when I try to land quickly at a specific spot.

 

But just getting the bird on the ground isn't too much of a problem.

 

I still have trouble with a smooth approach without yaw or keeping the bird straight. But I can eventually land it where I 'd like to and make my co-pilot shit his pants :pilotfly:

[hansangb]

Can't count how many Hueys I crashed that way. Must be worth several dozen millions of Dollars ... (at LEAST 50-100 times)

 

 

Done & accomplished.

 

 

*BZZZZZZZZZT* fail. ;P

 

 

Flagrum,

You may just not be very good at flying this sim. Others are having success (myself included, but it took a lot of practice to get there). Or maybe you have to add some curvature to your axis profile. Watch the DCS Huey Survival Guide on youtube and you can see if the joystick axis helps you.

 

I read the thread from a few weeks ago about landing the Huey and after I practiced for a few days, I finally got the hang of it. It's still touch and go, but I can land now. So read the threads dedicated to landing, or watch the video and try the axis adjustment to see if it helps you.

 

What joystick/rudder/throttle are you using?

[Flagrum]

Then it must be something wrong with your setup or technique. Did you watch the tutorials?

And it can't be, that there is still some tweaking of the FM neccessary, as I asked in my initial posting? ^^

 

(but yes, obviously my technique is not sufficient - as others are able to fly the huey as it is atm. But IF there is still something off in the flight model, I don't want to risk burning out on trying to get a grip on it ... i'd rather wait until it is "fixed")

[Flagrum]

What joystick/rudder/throttle are you using?

G940 + Saitek Pro Flight pedals, everything set to no curves.

 

Again: handling the helo - within my newbie limits - is working fine. take-off, straight flying, keeping altitude, even the landing approach is going "okay". I just can't keep the bird from dropping like a stone whenever i am a few feet above the ground, transisting from ETL to hover. Either i pull too much collective and thus "bounce" back up into the air, or i pull too less and, well, drop like a stone as i enter VRS. I just cant manage to anticipate the extreme(in my eyes) drop of lift when i reach hover. I manage to keep a descent rate of 300-500 when approaching and within fractions of a second, it drops to 1000 ...2000 :-(

 

all flight procedures are like elementary school, but landing is applied quantum mechanics to me ...

Edited July 12, 2013 by Flagrum